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John R. Carter

1:36:45 to 2:16:20( Edit History Discussion )
Speech By: John R. Carter

John R. Carter

1:36:48 to 1:37:10( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: minority leader. mr. carter: thank you, mr. speaker.?? if you rea here, speaker of the house nancy pelosi on november 8, 2006 made this statement,

John R. Carter

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John R. Carter: people voted to restore integrity and honesty in washington, d.c. and the democrats intend to lead the most honest, most open, most ethical congress in history. november 8, 2006. and i tell you, very, very noble goal.

John R. Carter

1:37:34 to 1:37:54( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: a noble goal that unfortunately doesn't seem to be being met by the majority. and i have been here on the floor of the house talking about ethics now and talking about basically right and wrong, stuff that anybody can understand, i think, that there are certain

John R. Carter

1:37:55 to 1:38:15( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: things that really just by their very nature don't seem right. and i credit the american people with an awful lot of common sense. and i think that common sense leads them to look at some of the things going on in washington and say, that's just not right. something's wrong here. and generally, when the american

John R. Carter

1:38:16 to 1:38:37( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: people are saying to themselves, that doesn't sound right, something's wrong. that's just not the way it ought to be, you know what? generally, they have a pretty good judgment of what they're looking at and what they're hearing. and it's been my -- i wouldn't say duty, but my goal i've taken

John R. Carter

1:38:38 to 1:39:02( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: on to try to point out some of these things. and i started off with a good friend, gentleman named charlie rangel. and charlie is the chairman of the -- one of the most important committees in this house of representatives, the ways and means committee, the taxation committee of the house of representatives.

John R. Carter

1:39:03 to 1:39:23( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: and i discovered -- actually when mr. rangel spoke on the floor of the house about the fact that he hadn't paid taxes on a piece of caribbean real estate that he owned for a long period of time. and that he -- it was because he just misunderstood what -- that

John R. Carter

1:39:24 to 1:39:47( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: that was income to him and that he had submitted the junch paid past due taxes and would pay any penalties and interest that might be assessed, but none had been assessed. and it just struck me having been a small-town lawyer and a

John R. Carter

1:39:48 to 1:40:08( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: judge in a medium-sized suburban county, that that didn't sound like the i.r.s. that most of my friends and neighbors were familiar with, because most of my friends and neighbors were familiar with the i.r.s. that when they just didn't pay on april 15, but paid on october 15 of the same year, they looked on

John R. Carter

1:40:09 to 1:40:29( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: their tax bill and along with the taxes was penalties and sometimes -- sometimes penalties and interest. if they went longer, there was even larger interest and penalties. when you're talking about something like 10 years and don't hold me to that, but it

John R. Carter

1:40:30 to 1:40:50( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: was in the double figures anyway, years that mr. rangel didn't pay his taxes and it was the sum like $10,000 or $12,000 he had to pay and i don't remember the exact number, but there were no penalties and interest. when someone pays a tax bill six

John R. Carter

1:40:51 to 1:41:11( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: months late and they only owe maybe $400 and $500, they look down there and there's beenialities and interest. and i think people listening to that would have thought the same thing, well, that's not right. if everybody else is paying penalties and interest, why isn't thchairman of the ways

John R. Carter

1:41:12 to 1:41:32( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: and means committee paying interest and not because he's the chairman of the ways and means committee and in charge of overseeing taxation for the house of representatives, surely that's not the case. but if it is the case, then the rest of the world is being treated differently than mr. rangel.

John R. Carter

1:41:33 to 1:41:53( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: and so i introduced a bill to this august body to create the rangel rule. the rangel rule is very simple. if you fail to pay taxes for whatever reason and you were willing to pay the past due taxes, but don't want to pay penalties and interest, even if

John R. Carter

1:41:54 to 1:42:14( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: it's been 10 or 20 years, just like mr. rangel, you can claim the rangel rule andon't pay pelties or interest. all you do is write on your tax form, exercising the rangel rule and then you will be treated the samend your penalties and interest should be excused.

John R. Carter

1:42:15 to 1:42:37( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: now a lot of people thought that was funny and a lot of people caught onto it and a good idea and still looking for signatures on a discharge petition, which is growing, which would allow us to bring it to the floor of the house. but its real purpose is for people to use common sense, apply common sense to this issue

John R. Carter

1:42:38 to 1:42:59( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: and say, that's not right. that's not fair. and it put a spotlight on one particular incident that is not fair. but i've got three pages here of various people that have issues and then, of course, in our

John R. Carter

1:43:00 to 1:43:21( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: current news, we have issues with the speaker. so we'll get to all that as we go through this evening. but right now, i want -- i don't want everybody to think i'm picking on mr. rangel. quite frankly, there are a lot of other issues here. and to start off with, we have the secretary of treasury. you know that guy?

John R. Carter

1:43:22 to 1:43:43( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: that's the guy that told us we need to spend these trillions of dollars to save the world. well, the man who has spent us into the poor house, almost, didn't pay his taxes. now, the difference between mr. geithner and mr. rangel, mr.

John R. Carter

1:43:44 to 1:44:04( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: rang a result of mrs. pelosi's statement. let me find you the -- mr.

John R. Carter

1:44:05 to 1:44:26( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: geithner geithner rule precedent. even with solid evidence that a taxpayer was aware of their self-employment tax liability was given funds specifically to pay their obligation and still consciously failed to y, only interest should be assessed.

John R. Carter

1:44:27 to 1:44:47( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: because mr. geithner -- he failed to pay his self-employment tax even though the people who paid him sent him the money in a check, $30,000 worth, and said here it is, this is to pay yourself-employment

John R. Carter

1:44:48 to 1:45:08( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: tax, and he didn't pay it. . i assume he kept the money, but he didn't pay it. when he then was, at that time, being offered up as a nominee for the job of the treasurer of the united states, he did rush down and pay that amount of

John R. Carter

1:45:09 to 1:45:29( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: money. but he didn't have any penalties assessed against him, even though arguably it's an intentional act. because he was specifically told, here's the check to pay your taxes, anhe didn't pay them. and it took the fact that the president of the united states

John R. Carter

1:45:30 to 1:45:51( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: chose him to be treasurer to get him to pay those taxes. we don't know if he ever would come you should the spotlight of this government. but when he did he paid them. and if anybody intentionally did something like that, you'd think there'd be some kind of penalties about it.

John R. Carter

1:45:52 to 1:46:13( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: yet all he had to do -- he did have to pay some interest. that's why it's not exactly a rangel rule, but he didn't vi pais any penalties. my gosh, if the ordinary citizen from toledo, ohio, just doesn't pay on the 15th, but pays on the 15th of october, he'll pay penalties.

John R. Carter

1:46:14 to 1:46:36( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: may not be a lot, but he'll pay penalties. the question you've got to ask yourself is, what makes mr. geithner so special that he doesn't have to pay penalties for intentionally not paying his taxes? and i guess the answer is, it's because he's -- he was the second highest man in treasury and now he is the treasurer of the united states.

John R. Carter

1:46:37 to 1:47:00( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: and he is the man who is advising us on this massive spending program that this house has set forward before it in the last 100 days. more money has been spent by this house in the last 100 days than in all the congresses and all the presidencies that have ever gone before put together.

John R. Carter

1:47:01 to 1:47:22( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: on the advic was aware that he had to pay the self-employment tax because he got a letter telling him that, which he had in his possession, and he didn't pay it. i think most everybody thinks it's not right for somebody, because they have a government position, to be treated

John R. Carter

1:47:23 to 1:47:44( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: differently than somebody else. i think common sense in america tells us that's the right thing to do. the right thing to do is treat everybody the same. just because you're a big shot doesn't mean that you don't have to pay your fair share. and you shouldn't be treated exactly like anybody else in this country.

John R. Carter

1:47:45 to 1:48:05( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: th about. that's just an extension of the rangel rule. and we could stop there because i talked about this before. there are others that need to

John R. Carter

1:48:06 to 1:48:26( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: be mentioned. this is an article from "the washington post." federal funding funneled to representative murtha support ofers. a pennsylvania defense research center regularly consulted with t representative john murtha, democrat from penn

John R. Carter

1:48:27 to 1:48:48( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: as it collected nearly $250 llion in federal funding through the lawmaker, according to documents obtained by "the washington post" and sources familiar with the funding requests. the center then channeled a significant portion of the funding to companies

John R. Carter

1:48:49 to 1:49:10( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: among murtha's campaign supporters. this brought to attention another issu this is has to do with the fact that representative murtha has steered millions of dollars to a group of people, contracts,

John R. Carter

1:49:11 to 1:49:31( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: to a named kashera, the offices of this firm, p.m.a., were raided by federal officers. on january 3 of this year. this contact has very close

John R. Carter

1:49:32 to 1:49:52( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: ties to john murtha. the agents were f.b.i., i.r.s. and defense criminal investigative services, searched the offices of their industries in pennsylvania. this is the same group that has contributed millions of dollars

John R. Carter

1:49:53 to 1:50:15( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: -- thousas of dollars, excuse me to mr. murtha's campaign. this is something that at a very minimum should be talked about by the ethics committee. our -- i didn't mention that the ethics report on charlie rangel, we were promised by the speaker of the house, nancy

John R. Carter

1:50:16 to 1:50:36( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: pelosi, when this all broke last fall, that the ethics committee would have cleared up thrangel situation by the beginning of this congress. so we all waited in anticipation of finding out the solution concerning rangel. we've heard thing, absolutely

John R. Carter

1:50:37 to 1:50:57( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: nothing from the ethics committee. has actively blocked seven resolutions to require the ethics committee to form an investigative swhe to look into the relationship between p.m.a. awarded earmarks and campaign

John R. Carter

1:50:58 to 1:51:21( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: donations. why does she feel the nee to protect p.m.a. we have a body here called the ethics committee that ethics committee's job is to go looking into allegations against our members and come up with solutions to that problem, either they have violated the

John R. Carter

1:51:22 to 1:51:42( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: rules of haven't. either they've violated rules of the land or they haven't violated laws of the land. if that's the case, then the justice department should and would, i assume, by this searc they had, are looking into this issue.

John R. Carter

1:51:43 to 1:52:03( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: these issues need to be resolved these issues prevent us from having the most open, ethical congress in history and caused that rule to rest in peace. so that statement is now resting

John R. Carter

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John R. Carter: those two cases because nothing's been done. and there's more representative mollohan, an organization got earmarks from

John R. Carter

1:52:26 to 1:52:49( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: freshmanly -- family charity and provided earmarks to a group that helped to start. gave them $75,000 in free rent according to "roll call" newspaper on the hill. the west virginia high tech consortium has provided more than $75,000 in free rent t

John R. Carter

1:52:50 to 1:53:12( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: robert h. mollohan family charitable foundation while receiving millions of dollars worth of contributions from the representative who sves as the foundation's secretary.

John R. Carter

1:53:13 to 1:53:33( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: here's a copy of the "washington post" article. in mid term elections, they certified that money they're requesting does not benefit them. another key democrat reform requires house members seeking

John R. Carter

1:53:34 to 1:53:57( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: earmarks to certify neither they or their spouses have any financial interest in the project. in the democratic congress, pork is still getting served, tha post," may 24, 2007. then

John R. Carter

1:53:58 to 1:54:18( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: writ deal, "roll -- got rent deal, "roll call," march 10, 2009. the virginia high tech consortium has provided more than $75,000 in free rent and administrative service to the robert h. mollohan charitable foundation. many mr. mollohan says this is

John R. Carter

1:54:19 to 1:54:41( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: -- mr. holman says this is perfectly legitimate and it might be. that's not for us to judge. if you're trying to have the most open, ethical and honest congress in the history of the republic, then when you have questions raised like this there should be a place you go

John R. Carter

1:54:42 to 1:55:03( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: to resolve those questions, to me, at least the starting place is the ethics committee. yet here we are. there's been no ethics investigations we know of launched to look at these allegations. i think the american citizens

John R. Carter

1:55:04 to 1:55:24( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: ought to look at this and say, well, why not. if this is innocent and there's nothing wrong with it, why couldn't it be brought before the ethics committee and they could tell us. this is perfectly all right. to give large amounts of earmarks to the company and free rent for the charitable

John R. Carter

1:55:25 to 1:55:46( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: foundation. maybe it's perfectly legitimate. i don't know. but if you listen to that and you think of the most honest, open, ethical congress in the history of the rep you would say something needs to be resolved about this issue. really, that's what we're about here.

John R. Carter

1:55:47 to 1:56:09( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: we're saying we want resolution, we want someone to look into these matters and let's be what nancy pelosi's promises would be.

John R. Carter

1:56:10 to 1:56:31( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: i'd like to say that was all. representative maxine waters pushed for a $12 million tarp giveaway to one united bank. waters' husband is a stockholders and member of the board of directors of that bank. daughter karen waters and her

John R. Carter

1:56:32 to 1:56:53( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: firm have made over 450,000 -- over $450,000 on candidates ballot measure sponsors endorsing for ms. waters. supervisor burke supported a measure to lease the course to

John R. Carter

1:56:54 to 1:57:14( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: a company owned partly by ms. water's house and son after she supported burke in her campaign. all these alleations came out in the los angeles newspaper. there may be nothing to this. we don't know. but you ask yourself, does it sound like there's nothing to it?

John R. Carter

1:57:15 to 1:57:36( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: because what i fail to say, it's a clear indication that ms. waters used influence to get them to look at giving tarp money to one united bank. and doesn't that talk about benefits to house members or

John R. Carter

1:57:37 to 1:57:58( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: their spouses, any financial interest in the project? i would argue, if that's the rule, passed by the democratic congress, the ethics rule for this congress imposed upon

John R. Carter

1:57:59 to 1:58:19( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: themselves and others -- should we follow that rule? does it make sense? does it make sense to say, let's get answers to that question? i don't understand why that also is not something for the ethics committee to report on.

John R. Carter

1:58:20 to 1:58:41( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: rahm emanuel, a former member of this body, now someone would -- some would argue the number two man in the white house, the man who has president obama's ear, he got free rent from rosa delauro, who is also a member of this body, living in her

John R. Carter

1:58:42 to 1:59:04( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: basement, in an apartment, i'm sure it was a nice place, for five years. rent free. now you say to yourself, isn't it all right for one member of this congress to allow another member of this congress to stay in their place if they want to? and not charge them any rent?

John R. Carter

1:59:05 to 1:59:26( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: i would say, yeah, i don't really see anything wrong with that. but then if you knew that mrs. delauro's husband was a lobbyist who regularly lobbied this congress, then all a sudden you got to say, wait a minute.

John R. Carter

1:59:27 to 1:59:48( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: now we're talking about this rule right here. these requests. and spouses and members and financial interests and interest ilobby events in this congress. and, you know, the lobby right now said they're the enemy of the state as far as we hear around this place all the time. these are the mo

John R. Carter

1:59:49 to 2:00:09( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: people on earth. we hear from people around here. i don't agree with that. they're human beings like everybody else and they're doing a job. but those who aren't doing it properly are an issue for this congress. and would argue that that ought to at least be looked into. no action has been taken by the

John R. Carter

2:00:10 to 2:00:30( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: ectics -- ethics committee and whenahm emanuel was put on as chief of staff to the president, the ethics committee said it now has no jurisdiction over him. so, i guess if there's an issue there, it's gone away by moving from the legislative branch to

John R. Carter

2:00:31 to 2:00:51( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: the executive branch. but just because you move doesn't make it right. the an issue that ought to be answered to and it may be absolutely, positively nothing there. but what do you think? one of the members -- what do

John R. Carter

2:00:52 to 2:01:15( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: the members of this body think? does it sound like it ought to be looked into? does it sound like it ought to be questioned? does it sound like something you'd like to know the answer to? because let me tell you, i can almost take judicial notice of the fact that rent in washington, d.c., it's not cheap.

John R. Carter

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John R. Carter: and so if he's getting rent every month for five years, i would say, i don't know what the place looks like, but i've shopped around for those basement apartments, i rented a room with a microwave for

John R. Carter

2:01:37 to 2:01:59( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: $1,000 a month. others rent those apartments down in the basement of people's town houses around here for anywhere from $1,500 to $18,00 a month times five years -- $-- $1,800 a month times five years. that's a pretty decent gift, that's a pretty decent award.

John R. Carter

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John R. Carter: it wouldn't be bad if it was just a member of congress but it is also the lobbyist's spouse who is also giving that gift. it ought to be talked about and looked into. we say that we don't want to have conflicts of interest in this house. we want us to disclose those conflicts of interest. where was that?

John R. Carter

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John R. Carter: we had that a minute ago. anyw, supposed to disclose wh here. disclose certified. and what you do, now, hilda solis served -- who has now

John R. Carter

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John R. Carter: been appointed to the labor department, secretary of labor, she was the treasurer with fishary duties for a -- if i douche year duties for a labor organization. her group lobbied congress and took direct action in elections under all her fiscal

John R. Carter

2:03:08 to 2:03:28( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: while serving in congress. her husband failed to pay taxes even after the i.r.s. leens for 16 years and i guess the shift to the executive brample is a solution to that problem. but it really ought to be the ethics committee's job. once again, now that she's

John R. Carter

2:03:29 to 2:03:50( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: secretary of labor the ethics committee has no jurisdiction over her. but does that make it not right? does that make it -- does that make it ok to do that? is that the kind of government that our president promises he wanted to have? he was going to have the kind of government that we could be proud of and yet this lady in

John R. Carter

2:03:51 to 2:04:11( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: violation of house rules represented a labor group that lobbied this congress and she was part of their executive committee and didn't report it now she's secretary of labor and all is forgiven. and yet she's right where the conflict was if there was a conflict.

John R. Carter

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John R. Carter: i mean, doesn't that make sense to anybody that that ought to be looked into by somebody? we had an ethics issue down in florida and it caused one of the members of this house, rightfully, for other reasons

John R. Carter

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John R. Carter: also, to lose the election. ted mahoney, the democrat, we learned through the press and from his own lips, paid off a mistress that he had with federal funds so that she'd

John R. Carter

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John R. Carter: keep quiet, is accused of using these taxpayer federal funds to pay a former staffer and his mistress. the speaker of the house refused it to take action. florida voters told her she was wrong and kicked him out. compare that to the pledge. the ethics committee took no action. he was voted out of office

John R. Carter

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John R. Carter: after one term. the people took some action. so maybe that's where we are today. maybe that'she only place we get recourse. is from the people of the united states. they have to step up. you know, we took a big battery -- battering as a party. i was very offended, as were many members, when we were

John R. Carter

2:05:41 to 2:06:02( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: accused of all being part a culture of corruption. you every democrat in this house because of these people on this list, being part of a culture of corruption. they're goodhearted people on that side of the aisle who are doing the right thing and i don't think it's fair for

John R. Carter

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John R. Carter: anybody to step up and classify a whole party because of the issues of some. but i do think that when those issues come up, it's the duty and responsibility of that party to make sure those issues are resolved. we resolved ours. many people resigned. many people didn't run for re-election. because of issues that came up.

John R. Carter

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John R. Carter: and herwe are. with these issues. and then finally, once again resting in peace is the most

John R. Carter

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John R. Carter: open, ethical, honest congress in hisry. and that's -- phrase died between january 4, 2007, and february 10, 2009. and it died because of all these issues not resolved by this house.

John R. Carter

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John R. Carter: t resolved by its ethics the justice department, if it is applicable. and when you come out of a world of right and wrong and you try the best you can and people make mistakes, you know what, some of these things could be mistakes.

John R. Carter

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John R. Carter: i want to make that very clear. but these are the kind of things that others have been accused of being apart, of a culture of corruption. and those issues were resolved. these issues go unresolved. and the leader who set the standard, who has toll us that

John R. Carter

2:07:54 to 2:08:14( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: these things would be resolved -- told us that these things would be resolved, she has been a stumbling block for resolving these issues. and now that brings us to an issue that we have with the speaker. speaker nancy pelosi is having

John R. Carter

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John R. Carter: an ongoing war with the c.i.a. i think most of the country is aware of that. it has to do with accusations and allegations concerning what some call torture and oregons call -- others call interrogation practices.

John R. Carter

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John R. Carter: with those people who are -- have been held in guantanamo or other aces as potential terrorist enemies of our state. and the issue, of course, that makes the front page is water boarding. whether it's good or evil, whether it's torture or not torture is not what we're

John R. Carter

2:08:58 to 2:09:20( Edit History Discussion )

John R. Carter: talking about today. that's for, i think each of us has their own opinion about that. i think the real issue here, the issue that we have to resolve, is that the speaker of the house has attacked unmeasuresfully this entire operation and all of these

John R. Carter

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John R. Carter: things to do with who got told wht about this interrogation practice. and she denied very mentally that she has ever gotten any knowledge of these extensive interrogation tactics.

John R. Carter

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John R. Carter: and she just really stood up and in no uncertain words said, i never knew about it. well, the current c.i.a. director, the current democrat c.i.a. director who is appointed by president obama,

John R. Carter

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John R. Carter: has released information to the fact that ms. pelosi was, when she was the minority leader and in the minority, she was in the room when these interrogation methods were discussed. and that there are notes to

John R. Carter

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John R. Carter: show she was there and she has said, she's basically taking the position that the c.i.a. is not trell -- telling the truth. some say either ms. pelosi's not telling the truth or the c.i.a.'s not telling the truth. that's kind of where we are.

John R. Carter

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John R. Carter: but truthfulness, public statement truthfulness is what we would expect from a speaker who tells us, this is going to be the most open, ethical and honest congress in history. i think most everybody comes from a part of the world sort of like mine.

John R. Carter

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John R. Carter: honesty means telling the truth. and i think at your parents or your grandparent' knee they would tell you, you be honest, you tell the truth. i told my children, when something was broken or something happened, you be honest and you tell me the truth because if you don't it

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John R. Carter: will be worse on you than if i believe they'll testify to that fact. because the truth is just -- that's something we instill in our children. we hopefully all do that. because quite frankly truth and honesty is a goal we set for ourselves as americans.

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John R. Carter: we set the goal for ourselves as a nation to be an open, honest nation. and we do that raising the next neration hopefully to understand the difference between telling the truth and not telling the truth. i don't like the word lie. or liar. i'm not going to use it.

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John R. Carter: others might but i'm not. but i will tell you that you're not honest if you're not telling the truth. it comes down to, is the c.i.a. telling the truth or is the speaker of the house telng the truth? now, why would somebody go off

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John R. Carter: on this in such a g way? well, i don't think i'm going off on it in nearly as big a way as some people in the fress are now. but the reality, let's wake up, folks. the reality is, we're talking about a person that through a series of horrible disasters might end up being the president of the united states, an unelected president of the united states, because the speaker of the house stands in

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John R. Carter: direct line should it happen to the president and the vice president, god forbid, she stands in line to be the president of this united states. speaker of the house of representatives is an important, important position. this issue of truth plays on how we want this place to operate.

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John R. Carter: who we want to be. do we want to talk to each other straight? tell eacother the truth? look each other in the eye and give our word and keep it when something happens, tl them, yeah, it happened or no it didn't happen, it's the truth. how do 400-plus people get together and work things out, ey keep saying let's work together if we don't talk

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John R. Carter: honestly with each other. so either the c.i.a., the agency in charge of intelligence for this nation, or the speaker of the house, both important, i would allege the speaker more important, even though the duty of protecting this nation by national intelligence is really

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John R. Carter: what's kept usafe for this last eight years since the attack on 9/11, but even so, i think the speaker of the house standing in line to be president should a disaster strike this nation, i think the truth should be part of what

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John R. Carter: comes fr their lips. this needs to be resolved. the american people ve a right to know this congress has a right to know, we have a right to know all we can where those meetings where enhanced interrogations.

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John R. Carter: i don't ow how many it's been discussed at but it's been clearly stated by the head of the c.i.a. that one, ms. pelosi was present and it was clearly stated, enhanced interrogation

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John R. Carter: was being used. i guess the best real title we're having these days, let's get to the bottom of it, find out what the truth is, and lay it out before the american people. if it is, let the cards fall where they may.

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John R. Carter: that's what i think ought to happen. i think as a solution finder for 20 years, everybody that comes into the courthouse is looking for a solution to their problem. sometimes i'm sure you hope

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John R. Carter: your right and you may not be right but that day your job is to try to solve the problem to your best ability under the law. we owe a duty to this wonderful body, the greatest legislative body ever created on the face of the earth. we owe a duty to this bunch of folks out there to all americans of all sorts that

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John R. Carter: this government speaks the truth. i'm pleased to see my friend

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