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House Proceeding 07-17-09 on Jul 17th, 2009 :: 1:15:30 to 1:39:15
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Steven Kagen

1:15:26 to 1:15:30( Edit History Discussion )

Steven Kagen: that is -- madam speaker, and that is that out of those 44 or

Steve King

1:15:30 to 1:39:15( Edit History Discussion )
Speech By: Steve King

Steve King

1:15:31 to 1:15:52( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: so million people, you got to subtract from that the illegals that are heren america. i don't think anybody seriously wants to provide a health insurance program for people that jump the border illegally and sneak into the united states and are are working here illegally and violating our laws. don't think we want to fund that. i don't think we want to give them the cadillac of what would be left of our health insurance

Steve King

1:15:53 to 1:16:13( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: program or health care program. so i'd sub tract those out of that list. and we can debate wt the size of that number. some say 11 million. i have been here now, this is halfway through my seventh year, we have been saying 11 million or 12 million illegals in america since i arrived here

Steve King

1:16:14 to 1:16:35( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: in this congress. i have gone on down on the border and watched them pour across the bder in the night. participated in catching a few of them, including a significant supply of illegal drugs that comes the numbers of border crossings we have had on average since i have been here, the illegal border crossings that -- where we catch them, average more

Steve King

1:16:36 to 1:16:57( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: than a million a year since i have been in this congress. so we have caught over six million, probably closer to seven mill -- million who were trying to cross the boardtory get into the united states. the border patrol when you ask them what percentage do you catch? some will say 25%. that's actually the official line and the testimony before the hearings.

Steve King

1:16:58 to 1:17:18( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: from the border themselves. when i ask them that question, they will laugh at me. they will say, not that many. perhaps 10%. well, i'll take the 25% number. and multiply that times the seven that we have caught and just say that's three times that number. that have actuay gotten into the united states successfully

Steve King

1:17:19 to 1:17:40( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: if we are intercepting only one out of four. you got four, three get across, one we caught. he goes back. that's how that works. and i guess three times the number. three times seven million is 21 million. that's 21 million that came in. some died. some wen back. but that's one way to measure how many illegals have come

Steve King

1:17:41 to 1:18:02( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: into the country since i have been in congress. if you add that number to the number that -- roughly the 12 million number, now we are up in the 30-some million category and it's easy, madam speaker, i think to understand why i t the numbers of illegals in this country are probably greater than 20 million. and we know that the numbers of those working in this country

Steve King

1:18:03 to 1:18:24( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: is a number that's over seven million working in this country at least. that's a federal data point number but if we cut the illals out of that list of 44 million of the uninsured, and then if we subtract from that number those that are are jus in transition between one health insurance plan to another, then we get

Steve King

1:18:25 to 1:18:46( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: down to a number that's a little more understandable and it's a number that comes from two penn state professors and did a study some few years ago, and if i rember correctly their number was there is about 10.1 million americans that are part of the chronically uninsured. now, we should be addressing not the illegals, not those in

Steve King

1:18:47 to 1:19:07( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: transition between their health care plans because they are going to find another one and they are going to likely stay on that one. there is always that happening while people are looking for the best plan. but if we to fix, we should be fixing the chronically uninsured. that 10.1 million. i think i took that and divided

Steve King

1:19:08 to 1:19:28( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: it by a population and rounded it up to the nearest percentage point. take 10.1 million, divide it by 300 million, and you end up with a number that's about a little over 3.5%. so let's give the benefit of the doubt to the liberal utopian people who draw up these scheme matics -- is he matics that are trying to fix something li 4% of the

Steve King

1:19:29 to 1:19:50( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: problem. 4% of the population is chronically uninsured, and we would tear apart the entire system to try to fix this 4%. what percentage of the 4% will be fixed? well, according to one of the estimates on how the resul of those that would be recruited by this plan would work out,

Steve King

1:19:51 to 1:20:12( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: this plan pushes tens of millions off of their own private health insurance plan. puts them on the government plan. and in the end the be such that they ended up by one measure, 97% of america would be insured. i don't think that includes, that may include -- i don't

Steve King

1:20:13 to 1:20:33( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: know how they address the illegals. we have now 96%, by the time you take out the chronically uninsured and illegals, 96% of america is now insured. i don't want to argue of the chronically uninsured this plan would only get 25% enrolled. it may not be. but if you want to look for a measure on what's likely to

Steve King

1:20:34 to 1:20:54( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: happen, one need go no further than the medicaid rolls in america. there it is, if you qualify, sign up for medicaid, it's a free program, you don't have any responsibilities except to sign up and you'll be covered, if you meet the standards of the lower income that's necessary, but of those that

Steve King

1:20:55 to 1:21:15( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: are are eligible for medicaid in america d.d. those that are are eligible for medicaid in america, just slightly over 60% ren rolled. why would we enrolled part of the 4% chronically uninsured, why would we think we could get a higher percentage of them to roan roll in a government plan?

Steve King

1:21:16 to 1:21:36( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: or why would we want to? what is the upside? aren't there other solutions and bert solutions? -- better solutions? the answer is yes and yes. there are many better solutions than what's this particular outrageous and

Steve King

1:21:37 to 1:21:58( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: scary skem matic --chematic. we should do many things. expand health savings accounts. one of the best things we did with health care was pass health savings accounts. . and if a young couple say 20 years of age had to -- first

Steve King

1:21:59 to 1:22:21( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: year was $5,100 and it's index for inflation moving on up. i don't know the number today any longer. i lost track. but i did do the math on this and build a spreadsheet. if that couple at age 20 invested the max in their health savings account and did so each year until they reached medicare eligibility and spent $2,000 of real dollars out of

Steve King

1:22:22 to 1:22:42( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: that account in legitimate health care costs did that at a 4% at the time i did the math, that couple arrived at retirement age with more than $950,000 in their health saves -- savings account. now, why wouldn't we as a

Steve King

1:22:43 to 1:23:03( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: nation take a look at that, utilize that and give them a reward for their responsibility and see if we can find a way to make a deal with them that we'll get them off of the entitlement rolls because they have the assets to take care of themselves? and i would argue this, madam speaker. i would say to that couple,

Steve King

1:23:04 to 1:23:24( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: take your $950,000 and buy a paid up medicare replacement policy and keep the change tax free. right nothe intent of this congress is to tax those health savings accounts when either they are spent or when the people that own them die. they want to tax them. i say if they will take

Steve King

1:23:25 to 1:23:46( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: themselves off of the medicare entitlement rolls i want them to have the balance of that ta free and we can work out some formulas where we can actually help them buy that out. today, let's just say if a couple, a similar couple arrived at age 65 today and they wanted to do a things and not be part of the medicare

Steve King

1:23:47 to 1:24:07( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: entitlement, they could buy a medicare replacement policy for right at $72,000 per patient. so say a husband and a wife for $144,000 could buy a replac that would be the cost, i should say. i don't know if you can buy the policies these days because government has monopolized

Steve King

1:24:08 to 1:24:28( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: health insurance for people past the age of 65. that's the risk, that's the average risk for the health care costs from 65 until natural death whicwould be $72,000 per individual. so it's reason to think we can set up a health care -- a medicare replacement policy that we -- that people could buy and let them cash the diference tax free.

Steve King

1:24:29 to 1:24:50( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: that would be a great incentive for a lifetime. it's one of e things we can do. another thing we need to do is increase the amount that can be deposited into the health savings account. in addition, medical malpractice, you can look through all of these

Steve King

1:24:51 to 1:25:11( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: schematic of the modern day or one can look through this black and white version of the hiary care health care schematic and you can't find anything about the reform of the unnecessary punitive malpractice litigation that's taking place all across this nation. we all know about the lady that

Steve King

1:25:12 to 1:25:32( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: spilled a cup of coffee from mcdonald's in her lap and she was awarded the initial decision around $3 million or $7 million or whatever outrageous number that w. and i know it went back under appeal and the number went down but that surely intimidates people. e case here in town, it wasn't medical, but it was a judge that sued the cleaners and took one or two of their

Steve King

1:25:33 to 1:25:54( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: stores out of business because they lost his pants. and we see businesses out because of litigation that's brought about in that fashion. how many tests are done in america because the doctor is paying a very high malpractice premium in order to protect himself from a suit, he has to run a bunch of extra tests because that's what you do in the industry to protect

Steve King

1:25:55 to 1:26:17( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: yourself from the lawyers. first take the oath to do no harm, go out to serve people in a profession that has great honor, and have it be framed by fear of litigation instead of doing the right thing. that's the medical version of a good samaritan watching someone get run over on the street and not going to help them.

Steve King

1:26:18 to 1:26:39( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: well a formerly likely good samaritan is worried they will be sued in an effort to help someone, they get sued. and doctors run test every day by the thousands to protect themselves from litigation. and yet nothing in the old schematic and nothing in the new technicolor schematic

Steve King

1:26:40 to 1:27:00( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: addresses the medical malpractice insurance. now we addressed it in the judiciary committee a few years ago and we put a cap on the -- on noneconomic damages of $250,000. that is what they have in california. not a lot of good things happen legislative in california but that's one that did. proposition 209 was another,

Steve King

1:27:01 to 1:27:23( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: just to toss it in the dialogue. but we capped it at $250,000 noneconomic and let people be made whole. if they were injured by malpractice they would get the cost of their medical care, they would get real economic loss of income, they would even get a little pain and suffering. but the punitive damages, the things we consider to be punitive damages is not

Steve King

1:27:24 to 1:27:44( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: economic damages, would not be awarded beyond $250,000. why would you pay a lady millions of dollars for spilling a hot cup of coffee in her ow message that mcdonald's shouldn't serve hot coffee? how many things in this life do we no longer have access to

Steve King

1:27:45 to 1:28:05( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: because trial lawyers made a way to make a living and the others found a way to write the rules that we can avoid that kind of litigation? how many of us have climbed into a vehicle and gone down the road and decided i want to program my navigator and find out that your navigator doesn't work while you're moving because some lawyer decided you

Steve King

1:28:06 to 1:28:27( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: might get into a wreck for programming your navigator and so they programmed -- and because of the lit -- and then sue the manufacture for being distracted for your driving? why is it their fault because of your irresponsibility? you have pull off on the side of the road and you defeat

Steve King

1:28:28 to 1:28:49( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: the intent of having that kind of device. that's what goes on with health insurance as well. that what goes on with health care provider. a very high cost of health care in america because there are unnecessary tests being run in order to avoid litigation. so maybe if we had all doctors that were paid by the government, then they would have the sovereign immunity

Steve King

1:28:50 to 1:29:11( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: that would come from being federal employees so they wouldn't be sued? that might be a way where obama can save money on health care. i don't want to go threw, but it might be the only thing that might actually be legitimate as far as saving money. and then they'll argue they'll reduce some of these costs down by providing efficiencies through technology. i'll support that.

Steve King

1:29:12 to 1:29:32( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: let's have better records, let's have those records be easily and quick available to qualified people so if you live in kansas city and you end up in the hospital in san francisco, they can do a quick bar code off your driver's license, for example, and access your health care records so they know what you're on for prescription drugs, they know what kind of treatments you

Steve King

1:29:33 to 1:29:53( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: have. you might not be conscious. let's do that technology. do we have to do this in order to utilize more modern technology? we're moving that direction in the technology anyway. i suppose the health care czar will tell us just what technology we can use and set some mandatory paramers on

Steve King

1:29:54 to 1:30:14( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: how we get there. i am nervous about that. so there are some efficiencies. there is -- there are wellness plans that can be incorporated into health insurance programs that are incentives, and if we have those incentives people will do the right thing. if you lower my health insurance premium i'll lose a few pounds and i'll exercise a

Steve King

1:30:15 to 1:30:35( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: little more and i'll go in for a checkup a little more and they'll diagnosis the problems earlier and we'll live longe and healthier as a people. that's the free market. that's not a one-size-fits-all socialized medicine plan. these are the things that we should be looking at to improve our health care systems here in

Steve King

1:30:36 to 1:30:56( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: the united states. but going down this path -- excuse me -- going down this path of creating the huge bureaucracy, the health benefits advisory committee -- imagine what that is. the public health investment plan, oh, how they manage your dollars while it's in there.

Steve King

1:30:57 to 1:31:20( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: we have the mandate by insurance that goes down to the consumers. the health insurance exchange trust fund. the clinical preventing services task force. that's the one -- excuse me -- the clinical preventative services task force. so that's going to be preventative services. another thing that happens when

Steve King

1:31:21 to 1:31:42( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: you have socialized medicine i'll tell this in a narrative the way i heard it. when this plan went in in canada, at that time i had a good number of business relationships with friends in canada and they gave me the unfolding narrative. one of them was named peter, actually. said to me. here's what goes on.

Steve King

1:31:43 to 1:32:04( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: they passed the national health care plan in canada, the socialized medicine plan and the -- and they said you need to be responsible and go to the clinic for your checkups and don't overload the emergency rooms and treat your health care in responsible fashion and only go when you're sick, don't go when you need to except for your regular checkups, be a responsible consumer. that's how it was sold.

Steve King

1:32:05 to 1:32:25( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: by the way, they did the projections on the cost by expecting the canadians to be responsible consumers. he said, so, the first year of the national health care plan in canada worked like this. people were respectful. they did go to the clinic. they didn't crowd the emergency rooms and this went along pretty well for the first year.

Steve King

1:32:26 to 1:32:46( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: by the second year, the third year and the fourth year people weren't willing to take time off from work to go to the clinic when it was convenient for the doctor. so on the weekends and at nights when they did have time in their schedule they just went to the emergency room and abused the privilege. and so peter explained it to me this way.

Steve King

1:32:47 to 1:33:08( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: he said it's just like for a company that for the first time was having a christmas party and they invited all of the employees in to have a dinner and a few drinks and to celebrate christmas together. and everybody comes and they have one or two drinks and they tell good stories about the boss and pat him on the back and everybody was just nice and full of love and responsibility and grateful that they had a christmas party that they could

Steve King

1:33:09 to 1:33:29( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: celebrate together as a working family or a family of workers, to be more correct. but he said by the second or third and the fourth year of the socialized medicine plan in canada, it was like the second, third or fourth year of the company christmas party. they abused the privilege. they drank too much. they told nasty stories about their bosand they expected

Steve King

1:33:30 to 1:33:50( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: their christmas party and the bonuses to be an entitlement rather than a bonus. and so that was the attitude that he described to the canadians jamming the emergency rooms when they went at the times when it was convenient to them, not going to the clinics, not being responsible and they had abused the pvilege and the cost went up and the

Steve King

1:33:51 to 1:34:11( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: service went down and the lines got long and people died in line. anthat's the tragedy, that's the tragedy of socialized medicine. i met a man a few months ago in a home improvement center and heas an immigrant from germany, and he told me about how his hip surgery -- and it

Steve King

1:34:12 to 1:34:33( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: wasn't a sad story. it was a matter of fact the way he deliver it. he had to wait about six months to get his hip replaced as a german, but he wanted it done badly because it was painful and it limited his options on how he cld move around and what he wanted to do. so he had to travel from germany down to italy where the line was shorter and he was

Steve King

1:34:34 to 1:34:55( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: operated on in fewer days than if he would have been waiting in a line in germany. and i listened to that story. what would it be like to have to go to another country to get your health care because the lines are shorter? what would it be like to get your health care because there is a line? we're americans. we don't stand in line. we fought for that freedom.

Steve King

1:34:56 to 1:35:17( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: we've worked for that freedom. we paid for that freedom. we don't stand in line, and we don't make ourselves dependent upon bureaucrats to make decisions on what's better for all of our lives. we go out and make our lives better. that's what we are. that's who we are. and this -- this color coded schematic threatens our

Steve King

1:35:18 to 1:35:39( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: freedom. it threatens your freedom. it diminishes the spirit and the character of the american pele and turns us into dependents. it takes the safety net that we have today and it cranks it up a few notches and turns it into a hammock. and we take less and the psychology of who we are as a people is diminished. what about that american

Steve King

1:35:40 to 1:36:00( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: spirit, that can-do spirit, that idea that we can do anything, the idea that we can go to the moon if we decide we can go to the moon? what about what happened when the japanese took on pearl hashon? we put 16 million and women in uniform and came on it the

Steve King

1:36:01 to 1:36:21( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: other side a global power and the only surviving industrial power in the world and we set the pace with our economy, with our politics, with our culture, with our faith and our values and an inspiration for the world. the rest of the world looks up to us. they do see what's been

Steve King

1:36:22 to 1:36:43( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: accomplished here. and we have taken the talent of every culture in the world and rolled it together in this great melting pot and come out of it with something that's a unique vitality, a unique vitality that doesn't exist in any people in the world in part because we've skimmed the cream of the crop off of every nation of the world.

Steve King

1:36:44 to 1:37:04( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: the people that came here came here because they wanted to have a chance at the american dream. they wanted to have an opportunity to become an american and an opportunity to have -- to be independent economically and carve up and pull up their own boot straps and provide for their family and sit down at the supper

Steve King

1:37:05 to 1:37:27( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: table tonight and be proud at what they accomplished. for their day, for their week, for their month, for their life. and we should be proud of what's been acomplished in this country by the lives of all of those that have gone before us. . this isn't worthy of a proud and independent people that should be reaching for more freedom instead of giving it up

Steve King

1:37:28 to 1:37:51( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: in exchange for dependency. this is dependency. it goes the wrong way. it takes us to the left. it takes us to a dependency. it takes us to a my opic myopic image of a utopian version where they have always thought, let's just say in that part of western europe your ewe

Steve King

1:37:52 to 1:38:15( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: taupian thinkers -- thinkers have observed. to fin it on earth. they completely are opposed to the philosophy of adam smith and the philosophies that emerge in the old and in the new test. . the independents that we have to have, the personal responsibility we have to have, the moral standards that have be to be part and parcel of the

Steve King

1:38:16 to 1:38:36( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: core of who we are as a people. diminished by this color coded schematic. and i pray, madam speaker, that e independenc american people, the spirit within us, the inspirational responsibility we have for the world will cause us to rise up and reject this model, this model that's not for americans,

Steve King

1:38:37 to 1:38:57( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: it's not an american thought process to always be responsibility away from people and diminished their freedoms in the process. we need to be about expanding freedom, not diminishing freedom, and when we do that, our spirit rises up to thep top, our energy and our work ethic rises to the top and we

Steve King

1:38:58 to 1:39:15( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: are stronger economically, we are stronger as family, we are stronger as faith, we are stronger as a culture and people. and we need to do that to set the inspiration for the rest of the world. somebody's got to lead. this is our time. and i challenge the people in this congress and this country to do the right thing by this policy.

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