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House Proceeding 07-23-09 on Jul 23rd, 2009 :: 2:41:20 to 3:16:00
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Steve King

2:41:16 to 2:41:36( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: countries in this world who have national health insurance w that, mr. speaker, i yield the balance of my time. . the speaker pro tempore: under the speaker's announced policy of january 6, 2009, the chair recognizes the gentleman from

Steve King

2:41:20 to 3:16:00( Edit History Discussion )
Speech By: Steve King

Steve King

2:41:37 to 2:41:57( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: iowa, mr. king, for 60 minutes. mr. king: i thank the gentleman from idaho for recognizing me. the speaker. and i want to acknowledge the presence of the chairman of the judiciary committee here tonight and mr. ellison both. i appreciate the young man from minnesota coming down and spending an hour here. i expect that out of him since he has all that youthful vigor but the chairman of the

Steve King

2:41:58 to 2:42:20( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: judiciary committee could have fod something else to do and i think this is a testimonial commitment to his belief in the policy. so as much as i was tempted to gauge in -- engage in that debate, i was also interested in the exchange between the two gentlemen. there are other members that are off doing other things tonight or perhaps doing nothing but some of russ interested on the

Steve King

2:42:21 to 2:42:42( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: future of america and i want to point out this chart that i'm sure will be something that the gentleman from michigan, mr. conyers, will recognize. or at least when i describe it he'll recognize it. this is the flow chart from hillary's national health care

Steve King

2:42:43 to 2:43:04( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: plan from 1993. and it has some differences between that and the current plan that we have. but i had this chart on the wall of my construction office when it was available in 1993 and it hung there throughout the decade and i believe it's still somewhere in my archives unsorted. there are still some things left over from that from the time i

Steve King

2:43:05 to 2:43:25( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: sold my business out to my oldest son. but this chart animated me. it animated me because i'm a private sector person. i'm a person who's had to make a living competing on low bid and being efficient, producing and building things, and i provide health insurance for my employees. and retirement plans for my employees. and i was one of the early people to do that.

Steve King

2:43:26 to 2:43:46( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: i recall back in the 1980's that was an exception in the people that were within the scope of the business that i was in and many other businesses. and i was happy to do all i could do because i wanted to keep employees working for me. i wanted to give them the best job, the bt employment we could, the best employment package we could. and when i saw this come out, this hillary's plan, i began to

Steve King

2:43:47 to 2:44:08( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: look through all these new programs, acronyms that i don't know that the gentleman from michigan could come up with what these mean today. i thought i knew them all back then. but they were, many of them, new government programs. and some of this is similar to the proposals that are out there today. the stark difference is this is black and white.

Steve King

2:44:09 to 2:44:29( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: the new flow chart is in tech color. a generation from now it will be 3-d. it creates a whole bunch of new programs and new different agencies and that was enough to put the brakes on this program back in the early 1990's. when the american people got a look at all this government that was pried that they were going to all the hooli-- prescribed, that they were going

Steve King

2:44:30 to 2:44:50( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: these hops, they decided they didn't want to make that big change. and so just the idea of this chart, i think, if this chart had been pulled out of the equation, i think perhaps hillary's health care plan would have passed. but the american people can see in one snapshot pick thur huge growth in governent that comes about and the loss of freedom.

Steve King

2:44:51 to 2:45:12( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: this is about freedom. and when i look down through this list, i s h.m.o. provider plan, global budget plan, the global budget plan for a national health care plan. all of these agencies over on this side, d.o.l., pwba, i don't even know what those mean anymore. but growing, creating new government.

Steve King

2:45:13 to 2:45:34( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: how it it's interrelated with state government. executive office of the president sitting on top of that. but this chart was something that caused the american people to wonder, how many lines would they stand in? how many government agencies would they have to deal with? and when you look at americans standing in line, it's pretty, you know, we do that occasionally in the cities when things are busy in the grocery

Steve King

2:45:35 to 2:45:55( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: store or wherever. but if you're standing in line, you're giving up some of your freedom. you're giving up some of your time that you could be doing something different with. and when you stand in line for retail, you always have an opportunity to go to another line. when you stand in line for government there's only one ne. and you shall wait until that line slowly progresses tough the door.

Steve King

2:45:56 to 2:46:17( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: well, we have a new chart here and this is the chart that reflects the new language and this chart -- this is a chart that when the american people absorb all the components of this, they will also understand that there's freedom that will be lost.

Steve King

2:46:18 to 2:46:38( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: and i put this out here because i want to make sure that the gentleman from michigan can see this. it and i want to make this point, because this is a dialogue situation that we have here on the floor. when i looked at this chart, i will say that reading the bill over and over again doesn't draw a description that that you can see in your head the way you can if you have the chart to follow. this is 31 new government

Steve King

2:46:39 to 2:47:00( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: agencies. this is 31 new hoops that people have to jump through. they won't have to jump through every one to get their tonsils out but they'll have to jump through some new ones to get their tonsils out or a hip replacement or a ke or whatever it might be. but in this whole flow chart that reflects these many pages of legislation, the one that i bring my attention to and the one that causes me concern is

Steve King

2:47:01 to 2:47:21( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: this little segment right here, traditional health insurance plans. these are the 1,200 or 1,300 plans that the chairman of the judiciary committee alluded to, i call that a lot of competition. 1,200 to 1,300 insurance plans competing against each other for the premium dollar, they're out there trying to device new

Steve King

2:47:22 to 2:47:42( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: packages and new ways to market and different ways to accommodate the needs of the health insurance consumer. 1,300, in fact, my number is over 1,300 of these policies. well, under this proposal, this new national -- the house democrats' health plan, this new health care plan, any health

Steve King

2:47:43 to 2:48:03( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: insurance policy that you have today would have to go into this circle, this purple circle here called the qualified health benefits plans. they would be the private sector plans. so these 1,300 or so plans would have to meet the new -- newly written government regulations in order to qualify under the qualified plans. those regulatis will not be

Steve King

2:48:04 to 2:48:24( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: specified now the this bill. they won't say in the bill that you have to have a certain deductible object a certain co-payment or no co-examente. there will be regulations written in there, perhaps portability, but in any case, the qualified health benefits plans, that's the pool that this whole box of 1,300 would have to

Steve King

2:48:25 to 2:48:45( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: go into, they'll have to meet the new standards, the new standards that will be written by the health choices administration commissioner. whom we can confidently define as the health choices administration czar. commissioners have a better sound to it today because we have 32 czars, we're kind of worn down on czars.

Steve King

2:48:46 to 2:49:07( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: but commissioners are ok. this commissioner will, with whatever board that directs him and whatever direction he gets from the white house and perhaps with input from the house and the senate, perhaps, will write new regulations and he'll tell these 1,300 and some health insurance policies, you'll conform to these standards in order to be qualified. if you're not a qualified health

Steve King

2:49:08 to 2:49:29( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: insurance plan, will you not be allowed thderstorm law to sell insurance in the united states. america -- of merks. -- america. so when the president promises that if you like your health insurance plan you get to keep it, i do not believe t president could be able with any kind of confidence make that promise because in reality he esn't know yet what these qualified health benefit plans

Steve King

2:49:30 to 2:49:50( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: are. but we do know that they aren't going to qualify every plan as it is. they may not qualify any plans as they are. but they will be pushed into this circle here and they will have to be written in such a way that the new plan, this other purple circle, the public health plan, that's the public option that the gentlemen have been

Steve King

2:49:51 to 2:50:11( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: speaking about over this past hour. the public option is designed to compete against these 1,300 and some private health insurance plans. thanges can happen. if the public option is having trouble competing, they he can either lower the premiums and subsidize them with tax dollars or can they can raise the regulations on the private plans

Steve King

2:50:12 to 2:50:32( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: so that the health insurance plan today that peop have, one of those 1,300 and some plans that are there, they have to meet the new government regulations. you raise the regulation, you raise the costs, you raise the premiums. these policies will not be the same policies this health insurance plan changes. that's why the president can't

Steve King

2:50:33 to 2:50:53( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: make that promise. he can make the promise but he can't keep it and the american people know he can't keep it. so the difference between this full techny color plan and the hillary care plan behi in black and white is this, that the hillary care plan was a single pair plain -- payer plan. it was a plan that was not quite one size fits all but it was one government plan for all.

Steve King

2:50:54 to 2:51:15( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: this is a transitional plan to hillary care plan. this is a plan that sets up and transfers all private health insurance today into government approved qualified health benefit plans. the government will write the regulations, they will say what's mandated, they will tell the companies what they have to provide for insurance, what they

Steve King

2:51:16 to 2:51:36( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: have to cover, whether they can have deductibles, whether they can have co-payments and what kind of portability may or may not exist and i think the portability will exist and by the time they write the regulations you won't be able to tell whether you have a private health insurance plan or whether you have the public option. because th'll be written under the same rules.

Steve King

2:51:37 to 2:51:59( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: sot will just be the difference in whether someone is out there still hanging on. but i can tell what you happened in germany. germany has the longest history with public health insurance plan of any country in the world. they put it in under autovon bismarck for political reasons and today even though they have a private option as we're being promised here, 90% of the health

Steve King

2:52:00 to 2:52:21( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: insurance in germany is the public plan. it's the plan that they write and they put the dollars into it. the 10% that are out there that have private plans are mostly people that are self-employed, that are making a kind of an income that allows them to go outside the government market to buy some health insurance that they think might give them a

Steve King

2:52:22 to 2:52:42( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: little bit better access to health care. 10% private, 90% public. 90% government. now i don't know what's this dialogue or in the bill that's going to change our way of thinking, that would change what happens here in the united states, but we know that as much as people say about how popular the canadian health care plan may be, they keep coming to the

Steve King

2:52:43 to 2:53:05( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: united states for health care from canada. and in canada, it's a law that prohibits the canadians from jumping ahead in the line. they have lines now that, let's see, the numbers, i will recall them, 360 days waiting period for a knee joint, for a new knee joint.

Steve King

2:53:06 to 2:53:27( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: 196 days waiting for a new hip joint. in america that's, well, we can get you in tomorrow next week, what's your pleasure? we'll make sure we adjust the schedule of the health care providers so that we do get people in for that kind of surgery, whether it's heart surgery, knee surgery, hip surgery, whatever it might be. we don't have waiting lines in

Steve King

2:53:28 to 2:53:51( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: the united states unless they're waiting at the emergency room with people that are walking in there. and i will point out also, mr. speaker, that the dialogue that we have heard, not just here in the previous hour ahead of me speaking, but constantly throughout this entire health care debate, has been, the blending, the merging and the confusing of the terms health

Steve King

2:53:52 to 2:54:13( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: care and health insurance. for example, when the gentleman said just previously, millions and millions of people who don't have health care, that was the chairman, well, we don't have anybody in america that doesn't have health care. everyone in america has access to health care. but we don't have everybody in america that's insured. and when we blur the terms and

Steve King

2:54:14 to 2:54:35( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: we say that there are millions of people that don't have health care, we need to drag that thing back to the reality of the truth and make it the point that, no, everybody has health care, excuse me, at least if they will access it, they have health care, but they don't all have health insurance. and when you take the full numbers of people in the united

Steve King

2:54:36 to 2:54:57( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: states and you start subtracting from that the numbers of people who are just simply not exercising an option of picking up health insurance, we'll hear the number that there are 44 million to 47 million people in america that are uninsured. but when you start subtracting from that, first, i'm not

Steve King

2:54:58 to 2:55:19( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: interested in insuring the lisles in america. i think those people that came into the united states illegally should go home. we have an obligation to put em back in the condition they were in prior to them breaking the law. we should not reward them for violing our immigration laws so the illegals should be subtracted. also, newly arriving immigrants are supposed to take care of themselves, theye can't hardly

Steve King

2:55:20 to 2:55:40( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: press themselves on the public doll and plead with us that the minute they arrive here we should provide them health insurance, we provide them health care, nobody gets turned away, but they cannot demand health insurance. then when you subtract from that the people that are making over $75,000 a year, they can surely find a way to take care of some heament insurance with some income like that.

Steve King

2:55:41 to 2:56:02( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: and you shake this number down, what are we really after here? we're after a number that identifies those people who apparently can't take care of themselves, who can't take care of their own health insurance, the chronically uninsured. the chronically uninsured in america are a number between

Steve King

2:56:03 to 2:56:23( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: 10.1 million and 12 million depending on whether you believe the two professer's study at pe in, n state or the one from our committee here. someplace in that zone is the total number of those who are chronically uninsured in america.

Steve King

2:56:24 to 2:56:45( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: divide that out, say, 11 million, and divide it by 306 million, you're in the zone of about 4%. we have the best health care system in the world. . we get the best health care system in the world. i won't argue we shouldn't take dollars out of this because there are a lot of dollars in our health care system. but we are looking at upsetting

Steve King

2:56:46 to 2:57:07( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: the best health care system in the world to try to address the chronilly uninsured. why would we do that? what's our goal? don't we know some things from all the experience that we have had in dealing with people who have had public policies offered to them? if you look across the states what, percentage of those kids

Steve King

2:57:08 to 2:57:29( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: that are eligible are signed up for schip? we look at how government abuses schip when in wisconsin 87% of those signed up for state children's health insurance program were adults. and in minnesota, the gentleman from minnesota, mr. ellison's state, 66% were adults. they were abusing the system. they were not using the system.

Steve King

2:57:30 to 2:57:50( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: and if you look at the numbers of people who are eligible for medicaid versushose who are actually signed up for medicaid, just slightly over half of those that are eligible for medicaid are actually signed up. so why would we think that we can fix this problem of the 4% of the population that's chronically uninsured even if we do bring a public plan and

Steve King

2:57:51 to 2:58:12( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: public option? why would we think they would sign up? i don't think they are going to sign up in any greater numbers than they do for schip or any greater numbers than they do for medicaid. one of the reasons is because a certain percentage othe population is just simply not responsible enough to step up to that responsibility. and there's supposed to be a reward in this country for

Steve King

2:58:13 to 2:58:34( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: people who do take the initiative, take care of themselves. but i'm concerned about this loss of freedom. i'm concerned about this transition of the traditional health insurance plans crowded into the quafied health benefits plans with new regulations written that may compel them to pay certain benefits that would be morally

Steve King

2:58:35 to 2:58:56( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: objectionable to many of us, and then is written so they would compete with the public benefits plan. and seeing also that this is a transition to get us to the hillary care plan which was a complete substitution of the private health insurance in america and replaced with a government-run plan. another major moral objection that i have.

Steve King

2:58:57 to 2:59:17( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: i will say this is actually the moral objection. i will tell this as an anecdotal form, but somete in the literal 1980's my congressman was fred grandy and many people will remember fred as gopher on "love boat" a very smart grad.

Steve King

2:59:18 to 2:59:38( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: policy wonk. he's still left an impression upon colleagues i serve with here on how smart and how policy able those years. it was unusual for a member of congress to come to my little town. and fred did do a stop in my little town and we bet in the basement of the lutheran church.

Steve King

2:59:39 to 2:59:59( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: it was a pretty good crowd for a small town. about 80 people there. i went and sat down in the front row, most of the reason is because i can't hear very good in the back row. of those 80 people there, congressman fred grandy proposed his model for a national health care plan. as he described it, i listened

Steve King

3:00:00 to 3:00:20( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: to it carefully, and then he stopped and he said, how many of you in the room provide health insurance for your -- how many of you in the room are employers? i raised my hand and remember looking around the room. there were 12 of us with our hands up. a dozen out of 80 or so that were employers. then he asked the question, how many of you provide health

Steve King

3:00:21 to 3:00:42( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: insurance for your employees? i left my hand up. but it was the only hand uput of the 80 in the room. and then congressman grandy came directly in front of me and he leaned down and he said, and of the way i have described this national health plan, how much will this change the way you do business? and i gave him the answer that

Steve King

3:00:43 to 3:01:03( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: was in the front of my head and i think i do that pretty much today as well. i said, well, congressman, it probably won't change the way i do business very much unless you're going to compel me to pay for abortion in which case i quite likely will no longer be an employer. that was my answer. it was a blunt answer. it was exactly what i was thinking.

Steve King

3:01:04 to 3:01:26( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: and the place erupt in applause. i had no idea that there was a nerve out there to be touched in that fashion. i had no idea that i'd ever enter into public life in any fashion. i had no idea that i would be serving on the judiciary committee at a time like this. no idea i would be standing here on the floor of congress relating a story that's more than 20 years old.

Steve King

3:01:27 to 3:01:48( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: where i found o it wasn't just me that considers requiring americans to pay tax their tax ending of innocent human life and calling that the expansion of freedom americans. that is, at the core of this, don't know how this administration avoids the

Steve King

3:01:49 to 3:02:12( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: position that they have taken, but i don't know how american people step up and get out there checkbook and write a check the i.r.s. if that check is going to go into, or write a check for health insurance premiums for that matter, if that check is going to go into planned parenthood, the abortion clinic into this snuffing out of innocent human life, when it

Steve King

3:02:13 to 3:02:33( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: gets to the point where it is a moral principle, the american people i don't believe will tolerate the imposition of a policy like that. this policy, some will say we don't have any proof that it's going to be -- we are going to be compelled to pay for abortion in this health insurance plan. the history of the entire funding of abortion since roe

Steve King

3:02:34 to 3:02:54( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: vs. wade has been if there is not a specific exemption in the bill, if there is not a specific exemption passed by congress, then government will fund abortions. that's how it has been since 1973. so this bill when there was -- when it was offered in committee to prohibit any of this money from going to abortions, that

Steve King

3:02:55 to 3:03:15( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: amendment was shot down on almost exactly a party-line vote. so this congress has already spoken. if anybody thinks that this massive technicolor flow chart new health care plan crowd your private plan into competing against the public plan and eventually the public plan swallowing all the private plans

Steve King

3:03:16 to 3:03:37( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: f. anybody thinks this designed today by the people in power in this congress to fund abortion, they would be wrong. and we had the opportunity, the white house budget director, when asked the question, he would not rule it out that they would be funding abortions under this program. we all have to take them at their word.

Steve King

3:03:38 to 3:03:58( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: their spoken or unspoken word. but if the legislation doesn't explicitly exclude abortion, we know that they are going to be seeking to fund abortion. 69% of americans oppose taxpayer funding for abortion, according to a zogby poll last year. 69% opposed. in may of 2009, a gallup poll

Steve King

3:03:59 to 3:04:21( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: finds 51% of americans identify themselves as pro-life. but if you start dropping off some of the exceptions, you go right on up the line as high as 75% or more. no one can win the argument if you ask them what instant their life began if theyelieve in the sanctity of human life unless they take the position that they are pro-life.

Steve King

3:04:22 to 3:04:43( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: i think that thisegislation that goes after a big chunk of our economy, at least 17% o our economy, it goes directly after a strong moral objection that many of us hold against abortion itself, let alone compelling people to fund abortions here in the united states or in a foreign land. and now, mr. speaker, i take you

Steve King

3:04:44 to 3:05:04( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: back to the president's basic principles that he's argued about as to why he says we need to establish this national health care plan. his principle is this. the economy is a mess. 's not quite any longer in free fall, but we are in an economic situation that's quite difficult. and, he says, president obama,

Steve King

3:05:05 to 3:05:26( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: health care is broken. and he also contends that we can't fix our economy unless we first fix health care. well, health care/health insu together because i think he's talking about the package. so here's the situation. the economy is in a shambles, it's limping along, it doesn't

Steve King

3:05:27 to 3:05:48( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: show any signs of recovery, it may still be declining. and when -- so with a bad economy and the president says we have to overhaul the health care system in america in order to recover economically, here's the principle. how do you bring something out economically if you're going to

Steve King

3:05:49 to 3:06:09( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: propose a $1.2 trillioto $2 trillion plan that's going to require increasing taxes to buy $800 billion or $900 billion and leave by all accounts at least a minus $239.1 billion in deficit created by all of this, how do you, if we can't afford a health care plan that we have, how do

Steve King

3:06:10 to 3:06:31( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: you create one that costs $1 trillion to $2 trillion more, increases the deficit, and increases the taxes, how do you create all that and say it's a fix? it looks to me like, no, it's more of an addiction on increasing taxes and government. here's a conclusion i have come to, mr. speaker. no matter what kind of logic this side of the aisle will

Steve King

3:06:32 to 3:06:52( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: apply, no matter what the met tricks are from an economic approach. no matter what we can point to that shows that this is the best health care system in the world. and by the way, before i get to the conclusion on the no matter whats, i want to list the things do i agreen. we spend too much money on health care in this contry.

Steve King

3:06:53 to 3:07:15( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: too high a percentage of our g.d.p. we have to do something about portability in america. because when people move from job to job, they should not have to stay in a job because their health insurance doesn't go with them if they leave. we agree on those things. something else that's missing from this flow chart, though, is liability reform. medical malpractice insurance is too high.

Steve King

3:07:16 to 3:07:37( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: and it is a significant part of this. if you can produce all government workers producing all the health care, then you can end up with sovereign immunity and we can maybe get rid of this litigation in the end. i wonder if that's where it's going. i suspect it's not. so those are the things that -- two things we agree on. cost too much monny, we need to make it portable. aside from that, there are many

Steve King

3:07:38 to 3:07:59( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: other solutions that i would apply. one of them would be if health insurance premiums are deductible for anyone, if they are deductible for the corporation or the employer, everyone. the same kind of compodit should be deductible for an individual, for the ma and pa

Steve King

3:08:00 to 3:08:21( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: farms they should be deductible for everybody in america in the same fashion they are deductible for the company. that would move a lot of people out of their existing programs and let them market and -- shop and own their own policy. so i'm for full deductibility. i'm for expanding health savings accounts i'm for limiting the liability under medical malactice.

Steve King

3:08:22 to 3:08:43( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: adopting the language we passed out of the judiciary committee and off the floor of this house about three or four years ago that caps the noneconomic damages at $250,000. i'm for doing those things. i don't know anybody that's for doing nothing. we want to do all we can to fix this program, but we can to keephe competition in place and we want people to keep their freedom.

Steve King

3:08:44 to 3:09:07( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: but it does not follow logically, mr. speaker, for the president to claim that we are in an economic difficulty of proportions not seen since the great depression and that we can't fix the economy without first fixing health care/health insurance and that the fix for health care and health insurance is a $1 trillion to $2 trillion government spending program with

Steve King

3:09:08 to 3:09:29( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: an $800 billion or $900 billion tax increase with a $239.1 billion deficit, how -- how does going further in debt spending mo money solve a problem for a health insurance program that already spends too much money? system, where are they taking it out? i don't see where they are

Steve King

3:09:30 to 3:09:51( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: taking it out except squeezing that's one of the components that are there. i have seen numbers as high as $500 billion. it might not be in here on this flow chart, but in the finer print of the bill. if they squeeze down medicare, medicare that in my district, on average, is paying only 80% of the costs of delivering the

Steve King

3:09:52 to 3:10:13( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: service, and in iowa, out of the 50 states, we have the lowest medicare reimbursement state in the entire country. the lowest reimbursement rate. we are in the top five in quality year after year. there are a number of different categories. sometimes we are number one in some of the categories. but out of all 50 states when you look at the aggregate, the

Steve King

3:10:14 to 3:10:36( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: quality of health care, iowa ranks in top five consistently year after year after year. we are last in reimbursement rate in the country year after year after year. and so this idea of squeezing $500 billion out of the medicare reimbursement rates because they think somebody's making too much money, what happens is, it pushes those costs over on to

Steve King

3:10:37 to 3:10:58( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: the private payers, called cost shifting you shift the costs. at some point thisubble has to burst. i think this bill squeezes it to the point where the bubble busts -- bursts. so i would make this that we should get our verbiage right. we shoul call health care, health care. that's the providers, that's the service, that's when we are taking care of patients.

Steve King

3:10:59 to 3:11:19( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: we should call health insurance, health insurance. that's when a premium gets paid to an insurance company and the insurance company pays their -- the liability that comes when there is a claim when there is health care provided. that's the differences. i have watched this verbiage get confused over the immigration debate over the last few too.

Steve King

3:11:20 to 3:11:40( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: i made the point then that you wouldn't -- in fact to the white house at the time, that they couldn't get past the idea that they were proposing amnesty. they tried to redefine amnesty and the american people didn't buy it. . the american people are not going to buy it.

Steve King

3:11:41 to 3:12:02( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: they know the difference between health insurance and health care. and they like to know where it is because they know their very lives are at stake and they n't want to stand iline. i know i have a chart here that scribes the quality of american -- describes the quality of american health care.

Steve King

3:12:03 to 3:12:23( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: and this is the survival rate of cancer patients compared to different regions. so here's prostate cancer, indicators that are there. if you look at the united states, our survival rates are at the top. compared it to- in both prostate and breast cancer, and

Steve King

3:12:24 to 3:12:44( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: then when you see the -- what should i call it? burgdy here, that's canadian. canadian's survival rates are substantially higher, especially for prostate, than they are for europe or england. europe and england are down. canada's up, u.s. is better than canadian. it's also the case when you look at breast cancer, only it's not

Steve King

3:12:45 to 3:13:05( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: so stark. the difference between europe and england in the united states. can canada be so close to the united states with survival rates of cancer? we have the best survival rates here, by the way. how can canada be so close? could some of it be that because canada is so close, mr. speaker? could it be that canadians come

Steve King

3:13:06 to 3:13:27( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: from canada down into detroit to get their cancer treatment? could it be that their coming down to the mayo clinic in minnesota to get their cancer treatment? could that be one of the reasons why their survival rates are better in canada as compared to the other countries that have a socialized medicine program? but make no mistake, mr. speaker, this is socialized medicine.

Steve King

3:13:28 to 3:13:49( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: it's the government writing the rules, it's taking away your freedom. you can't own your health insurance policy the way you own it today. the government will interfere and intervene and will write new rules. when the president says that you get to keep your plan if you like it, well, i guess maybe if you're working for a company, you may get to keep your plan if you don't like it. but when wal-mart makes a

Steve King

3:13:50 to 3:14:10( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: decision as they did a couple of weeks ago that they would endorse an employer-mandated health insurance plan, that should tell us something. why would wal-mart do that? they insure about 52% of their peop, their competition ensures about 46% of theirs. so there's a little push there exetively.

Steve King

3:14:11 to 3:14:32( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: but surely they have to think that the health insurance for their employees is gng to be cheaper if it's under a public plan. anso when the president says, if you like your insurance plan you get to keep it, what does he say if wal-mart, for example, sh to drop all of their private insurance carriers and picies and go over onto the public plan?

Steve King

3:14:33 to 3:14:53( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: doesn't wal-ma or any employer have the option to shift? if we offer, if we offer people a public plan over here in this had chart, it's the president's position that a company can't switch? is it he saying to a company that's providing health

Steve King

3:14:54 to 3:15:14( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: insurance to their employs -- employees, if your employees like these plans you have to keep it? is he saying that to the descendents of sam walle don't think so. they'll make that decision, it may be a moral decision for a will the low of employers as well. guarantee that you get to keep your health insurance plan.

Steve King

3:15:15 to 3:15:35( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: that decision will be made by the employer if he provides it and if you're an individual that owns your own plan, that plan will still have to qualify to be sold in the united states of america. if will not be legal to sell health insurance in america unless you comply under this circle with the qualified health benefits plans. the rules of which will be written by the health insurance

Steve King

3:15:36 to 3:15:57( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: czar. 31 different agencies there. there's a lot of freedom that's lost, a lot of lines will be created, a lot of freedom will be lost, some lives will be lost, and we know that people die in line. mr. speaker, i have a couple of subjects that i wanted to address when i came here tonight and i wanted to take this little

Steve King

3:15:58 to 3:16:00( Edit History Discussion )

Steve King: moment and, while the chair of the judiciary committee was

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