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Senate Proceeding on Sep 5th, 2007 :: 0:38:49 to 0:52:58
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Lindsey Graham

0:38:49 to 0:38:57( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: time and suggest the absence of a quorum. the presiding officer: the clerk will call the roll of the senate. quorum call: ~ quorum call: the presiding officer: the senator south carolina is recognize

Lindsey Graham

0:38:49 to 0:52:58( Edit History Discussion )
Speech By: Lindsey Graham

Lindsey Graham

0:38:57 to 0:39:10( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: ed. mr. graham: i would ask consent to speak? northern business. the presiding officer: there is a quorum call underway. mr. graham: skilled that it be terminated. the presiding officer: without objection.

Lindsey Graham

0:39:10 to 0:39:20( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: mr. graham: thank you. i would also ask unanimous consent that matter gunther be granted floor privileges for the duration of the 110th congress congress. the presiding officer: without objection, it

Lindsey Graham

0:39:20 to 0:39:32( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: will be so. mr. graham: thank you, mr. president. i'd like to particular some opportunity to -- this opportunity to talk a little bit about what i sympathy a very important debate and that's about iraq war

Lindsey Graham

0:39:32 to 0:39:45( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: policy. we have next week i believe general pa tray i don't say and ambassador crocker comog coming to the congress to brief us about the situation as they see it. i think most of us in the senate

Lindsey Graham

0:39:45 to 0:39:58( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: are very anxious to hear what our ambassador has to say and our leader leading general in iraq. there are g.a.o. reports about benchmarks, the idea that we're trying to evaluate performance and

Lindsey Graham

0:39:58 to 0:40:11( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: progress in iraq is a good thing. some of the benchmarks have not been met, apparently have some. it depends on how you measure. the one thing that i would caution my colleagues to not forget is that

Lindsey Graham

0:40:11 to 0:40:22( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: the biggest benchmarks benchmark is whether or not our presence in iraq should be maintained in terms of our national security interest or should we leave, and if we do leave, how does that affect our

Lindsey Graham

0:40:22 to 0:40:35( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: long-term national security interests? i think the biggest issue face ing each senator is how they view the war in iraq. there's a legitimate debate. there's two different ways of looking at the

Lindsey Graham

0:40:35 to 0:40:46( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: engagement in iraq. some senators believe that our military presence in iraq at such levels is propping up the iraqi government. they're relying too much upon us us. they're putting off the hard hardization

Lindsey Graham

0:40:46 to 0:41:01( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: harddecisions because of -- we're doing the fighting and they can kind of take their time and that we should put more pressure on the iraqi government by beginning to withdraw troops. there's another

Lindsey Graham

0:41:01 to 0:41:13( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: view that any presence in iraq is create ing more terrorism than it's preventing, that our presence in iraq is create ing instability and problems for the mideast as a whole and that we should basic

Lindsey Graham

0:41:13 to 0:41:27( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: basically get our eye back on the ball of afghanistan or al qaeda operations in other areas. those are a couple of views. i hope i fairly summarized it. i don't want to put words in peems mounts

Lindsey Graham

0:41:27 to 0:41:39( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: mount mouths but think mouths i think that's a couple ways of looking at it. the way i come out on this, iraq is part of a global struggle, not just an isolated an an isolated event. whether we

Lindsey Graham

0:41:39 to 0:41:55( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: should go into iraq, that's sort of a moot question nowvment the question for the can country is what happens in iraq in terms of our national security interest? does it rulely matter? i would argue

Lindsey Graham

0:41:55 to 0:42:07( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: that the enemy that we're face ing in iraq is threefold. there is sectarian violence in the country. sunni-shia violence, people within the shia community use ing violence to get the upper hand politically.

Lindsey Graham

0:42:07 to 0:42:21( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: there are sunni insurgents who do not want to have a democracy. they don't want to have representative government. they're trying to achieve power by the use of violence. so there's definitely some

Lindsey Graham

0:42:21 to 0:42:34( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: sectarian conflict between sunni and shias. that's very real. but there's also an element in iraq called al qaeda. their goal is not to dominate the shia population in iraq. their goal is much

Lindsey Graham

0:42:34 to 0:42:52( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: broader. it's to make sure that representative government does not take hold in the mideast in a way that would allow religious tolerance. their goal is to make sure that no representative government would

Lindsey Graham

0:42:52 to 0:43:05( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: spring up where a woman v.o.a. woo have a say about her children. you know, we are all 0 over f over the world. al qaeda choose to go to iraq not because we are there but because of what the iraqi

Lindsey Graham

0:43:05 to 0:43:22( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: people may try to do. i really do believe that al qaeda international leadership has gone to iraq to organize extreme ists extreme ist forces within that country, religious exstriem exstriemists because

Lindsey Graham

0:43:22 to 0:43:34( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: they fear more than anything else another muslim nation, islamic nation, arab nation being able to come together and live through representative democracy. and that's why they're dl. and if they

Lindsey Graham

0:43:34 to 0:43:51( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: can defeat this effort at moderation, destable ize this government and drive us out out, i think our worst days lie ahead. and no matter how we would like to view iraq, there's no doubt in my mind what

Lindsey Graham

0:43:51 to 0:44:04( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: that enemy would say. al qaeda international would say say, they beat america in the land of the two rivers. bin laden has called on all those hobble who believe, as he does, to go to iraq and

Lindsey Graham

0:44:04 to 0:44:18( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: join the nients. now is the time to win a battle in the third world war and america must be defeated there. not the iraqi shia population but america. now, the iranian involvement in iraq -- i've been on

Lindsey Graham

0:44:18 to 0:44:34( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: -- did an 1 11-day tour over there as a reserve lawyer and that was a wonderful experience, very, very small contribution on my part, and i just learned how hard people work a how smart they are

Lindsey Graham

0:44:34 to 0:44:46( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: and i'm awed by our military military. i think every senator shares that view. but one of the things that i've learned from working on rule of law programs is how deeply involved the iranian kuz dz

Lindsey Graham

0:44:46 to 0:45:03( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: force is involved in funding militia groups. the question for us all is why would iran be involved in trying to fund groups dedicate ed to kill killing americans? the lieberman amendment that passed,

Lindsey Graham

0:45:03 to 0:45:19( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: i think, without objection in the authorization debate in july was a damming dam damning in indictment. the question must be asked and answered why. why does iran shall , why do they want to destale

Lindsey Graham

0:45:19 to 0:45:33( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: ize stable ize in government, why are they supporting shia groups designed to kill americans, why are they providing aid and comfort to those groups who wish to destroy our forces?| our argument is

Lindsey Graham

0:45:33 to 0:45:45( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: they view iraq as a threat just as al qaeda does. that if the iraqi government is able to stabilize itself, the sui and shia arabs come together along with kurdish colleagues to form a representative

Lindsey Graham

0:45:45 to 0:45:59( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: government that will allow people to elect their leaders. it is the biggest threat in the world to the iranian theocracy. and they're involved in iraq from their own self-interests, not the self-interests

Lindsey Graham

0:45:59 to 0:46:14( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: of the iranian people but the self-interests of the radical leadership within iran. so they understand very clearly that if iraq is able to stabilize itself and create a moderate form of government representative

Lindsey Graham

0:46:14 to 0:46:32( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: in nature, their nightmare just begins. so that's why they're trying to drive us out. and the president of the iran, a questionable character atest, said, i think last week, they stand ready to fill the vacuum

Lindsey Graham

0:46:32 to 0:46:44( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: created when they leave. i would argue we may not leave a vacuum that iran can fill. now the surge, there are three enemies as i said: al qaeda, sectarian violence and the iranian elements trying

Lindsey Graham

0:46:44 to 0:46:57( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: to destabilize the iraqi government. after about five or six visits, it's pretty clear to me that the situation w deteriorating in iraq. before the surge i came back more depressed each visit. the level

Lindsey Graham

0:46:57 to 0:47:12( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: of violence grew, and the security environment deteriorated. now we have a new strategy. we put more combat power in place. and it's made a real difference on the security front. anbar province, the

Lindsey Graham

0:47:12 to 0:47:25( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: western part of iraq where theunnis dominate six months ago was declared lost. it was an al qaeda safe haven. you've heard this story time and time again. the news of anbar is not so much to me

Lindsey Graham

0:47:25 to 0:47:38( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: we beat al qaeda militarily. not so much that the sunni arabs turned on al qaeda, joined the fight with us against al qaeda. that's understandable given the way al qaeda treated the population in anbar. what's the

Lindsey Graham

0:47:38 to 0:47:52( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: most exicting and encouraging to me is that in 2007 over 12,000 people have joined the local police force in anbar, the sons of anbar were called upon by the sheikhs to take up arms by joining

Lindsey Graham

0:47:52 to 0:48:08( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: the police. well, this new police presence once it's trained and equipped will allow anbar province to be held by iraqis. and more encouraging than that, not only are people in anbar beginning to

Lindsey Graham

0:48:08 to 0:48:20( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: join institutions that would allow al qaeda to be defeated in a permanent fashion, they're beginning to reach out to baghdad. and there's a movement going on between the maliki government and leadership

Lindsey Graham

0:48:20 to 0:48:30( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: in anbar to try to find a relationship where baghdad is seen by the people of anbar as a place you c do business with. there's a lot of money being spent now by the central government on rule of

Lindsey Graham

0:48:30 to 0:48:41( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: law projects in anbar. there is an old palace of one of the sons of saddam that is going to be converted into a legal center where you can have terrorism courts, basic civil trials. you'll have housing

Lindsey Graham

0:48:41 to 0:48:56( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: for judges that would be secure so they won't be assassinated. you will have a police training center there. there's a lot going on in terms of a relationship between baghdad and anbar that could

Lindsey Graham

0:48:56 to 0:49:08( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: lead to reconciliation. it is very true that the political progress we had hoped for at the national level has not transpired yet. but what has astounded me is the amount of local reconciliation going

Lindsey Graham

0:49:08 to 0:49:18( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: on. i think better security has led to better choices, that people now feel more secure. they're telling us where al qaeda operatives are hiding. they're given us more information than we've ever received

Lindsey Graham

0:49:18 to 0:49:30( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: before about how al qaeda operates and other extremist groups. the people are getting more confident to speak oufplt and i guess more than anything else they're just war weary. the one thing i learned

Lindsey Graham

0:49:30 to 0:49:41( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: on this trip more abundant than any other trip is that iraqis at the local level are very war weary. they're trying to bring their country together, their local community together because they're

Lindsey Graham

0:49:41 to 0:49:50( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: tired of the killing and the dying. so as we listen to what ambassador crocker has to say and what general petraeus has to say, we should be very mindful of the challenges. to me, the successes are obvious

Lindsey Graham

0:49:50 to 0:50:01( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: but the challenges are equally obvious. i've never said for the last three and a half years before the surge things were going great in iraq, because to me they weren't. things were getting worse,

Lindsey Graham

0:50:01 to 0:50:11( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: and it was obvious they were. but i do see a turnaround. i think the surge has accomplished some things militarily that have led to better choices, and there's effort to reconcile the country from

Lindsey Graham

0:50:11 to 0:50:21( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: the bottom up, as the president says, that's very real. and the big pressure being applied to baghdad is not what senator graham says or any other senator from the united states may say about the

Lindsey Graham

0:50:21 to 0:50:34( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: maliki government. the pressure that i see on the ground is coming from the people themselves. the people are war weary. they would like their representatives in baghdad to come together and create

Lindsey Graham

0:50:34 to 0:50:48( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: some stability that they haven't known for four years. so i'm hopeful, very hopeful that there will be political breakthroughs. last sunday, a week ago from sunday, the five major players in iraq recommitted

Lindsey Graham

0:50:48 to 0:51:01( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: themselves to a plan to come back together, reform the government and reconcile the iraqi people through passing some major legislation. de-baathification, the ability of sunnis to hold jobs in the government,

Lindsey Graham

0:51:01 to 0:51:12( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: is a big piece of legislation that would transform iraq. a local elections, allowing local people to pick their governors and representatives rather than baghdad politicians making those appointments. if there

Lindsey Graham

0:51:12 to 0:51:23( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: were local elections, i think the sunnis would participate in large numbers. in 2005 they boycotted the election. i think they're ready to engage in politics. so i predict that based on the success of

Lindsey Graham

0:51:23 to 0:51:34( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: the surge militarily that the efforts at local reconciliation are| real, that they're going to move up to the national level and soon, very soon we're going to have some breakthroughs in baghdad in terms

Lindsey Graham

0:51:34 to 0:51:47( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: of political benchmarks that will transform the country. that is my hoefplt that is my dere -- that is my hope. that is my desire. and the way we can achieve that, i believe, is to pour it on. continue

Lindsey Graham

0:51:47 to 0:52:00( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: the surge, let it run its course. it is in place now, i think, until april. let's keep pouring it on militarily, politically and economically. we've got the enemy on the map. let's don't let them up. and morale

Lindsey Graham

0:52:00 to 0:52:15( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: is sky hawaii now is the time, i think, for america to exercise good judgment, long-term thinking and reenforce iraq instead of withdraw. i think the message to withdraw no matter how well intended

Lindsey Graham

0:52:15 to 0:52:25( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: will not push the iraqi politicians to do anything faster. it will reignite and encourage an insurgency that really is now being diminished. those are the issues that await the senate as we await news from

Lindsey Graham

0:52:25 to 0:52:44( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: aircraft, let's concentrate on the long term. 2008 will be here before you know it. but the decisions we make about iraq will have consequences long after the election of 2008. thank you, mr. president.

Lindsey Graham

0:52:44 to 0:52:58( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: with that, i yield back. the presiding officer: the senator from north dakota. mr. dorgan: mr. president, whenat is the order? mr. president, am i recognized for 20 minutes under morning business?

Byron Dorgan

0:52:58 to 0:53:08( Edit History Discussion )

Byron Dorgan: the presiding officer: yes. mr. dorgan: mr. president, let me talk just for a moment about this issue of what is our national security. this morning as i was getting ready for work, i saw another television

Byron Dorgan

0:52:58 to 1:19:51( Edit History Discussion )
Speech By: Byron Dorgan

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