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Senate Proceeding on Sep 19th, 2007 :: 5:38:26 to 5:53:25
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Jon Tester

5:32:47 to 5:38:26( Edit History Discussion )
Speech By: Jon Tester

Jon Tester

5:38:14 to 5:38:26( Edit History Discussion )

Jon Tester: mr. lieberman: mr. president? the presiding officer: the senator from connecticut has i believe 14 minutes. mr. lieberman: i thank the chair ha chair. mr. president, i rise respectfully to speak

Joseph Lieberman

5:38:26 to 5:38:44( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: against the amendment offered by my colleague from virginia. mr. president, let me put this in context as i see it one week ago, the commander of our military forces in iraq and our top diplomat

Joseph Lieberman

5:38:26 to 5:53:25( Edit History Discussion )
Speech By: Joseph Lieberman

Joseph Lieberman

5:38:44 to 5:38:56( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: in baghdad returned to washington to address the members of this congress. what general petraeus and admiral crocker offered us last week was not hype hip personal hieb personal hype hyperbole, but

Joseph Lieberman

5:38:56 to 5:39:14( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: the facts. hard evidence of the reality of the progress that we have at last begun to achieve over the last eight months, progress against al qaeda, progress against sectarian violence, progress

Joseph Lieberman

5:39:14 to 5:39:28( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: in standing up the iraqi army, progress that all but the most stubborn of ideological or partisan opponents now acknowledge is happening. what we also heard fromro general petraeusafs last week was a plan

Joseph Lieberman

5:39:28 to 5:39:43( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: for the transition of our mission in iraq which he has developed together with our military commanders on the ground that bilitys builds on facts on the ground, not on opinions over here, that

Joseph Lieberman

5:39:43 to 5:39:56( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: builds on the success successes that our troops have achieved on the ground, which will allow tens of thousands of american troops to begin to return home from iraq starting this month. so the question

Joseph Lieberman

5:39:56 to 5:40:12( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: now before the senate is not whether to start bringing some of our troops home home. everyone agrees with that. beginning this month, some of our troops will be come ing home. the question before the

Joseph Lieberman

5:40:12 to 5:40:31( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: senate now is whether we are going to listen to the recommendations of our commanders and diplomats in iraq or, instead, whether we will reject them and try to derail the plan that they have carefully

Joseph Lieberman

5:40:31 to 5:40:47( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: developed and implemented and that is working. the question is whether we build on the success of the surge and the strategy of success led by general petraeus or instead whether we impose a congressional

Joseph Lieberman

5:40:47 to 5:41:03( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: formula for re retreat and failure. mr. president, i believe the choice is clear because we have too much at stake for a national -- for our national security, our national values, most particular

Joseph Lieberman

5:41:03 to 5:41:13( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: particularly freedom, on the lowt and the -- line and the out outcome in iraq. are the victors going to be a better hope for freedom or are the victors going to be al qaeda and iran and the iranian hp

Joseph Lieberman

5:41:13 to 5:41:27( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: -backed terrorists. i believe that's the choice. and the webb amendment is a step in precisely the wrong direction direction, that is its effect. the sponsors of the amendment say they are trying to relieve

Joseph Lieberman

5:41:27 to 5:41:43( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: the burden on our men and women in uniform. i, of course, take them at their word. they have an honorable goal that all of us in this chamber share. it's not however , however, what the real world consequences

Joseph Lieberman

5:41:43 to 5:41:59( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: of this amendment will be. on the contrary, the secretary of defense, bob gates, has warned us in the most explicit terms that this amendment, if enacted, would have precisely the opposite effect that its sponsors

Joseph Lieberman

5:41:59 to 5:42:11( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: say they desire. it would create less security, more pressure on more soldiers than exists now. and their families. as many of my colleagues know, secretary gates is a man who chooses his words

Joseph Lieberman

5:42:11 to 5:42:30( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: carefully. he's a former member of the iraq study group. he's a strong believer in the need for bipartisan consensus and cooperation when it comes to america's national security, particularly in iraq

Joseph Lieberman

5:42:30 to 5:42:44( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: and afghanistan. he does not practice the politics of polarization or partisan spin. and so when he tells us that this amendment would do more harm t han good, so much harm, in fact, that he as secretary

Joseph Lieberman

5:42:44 to 5:42:56( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: of defense would feel oblige ed to recommend to the president that if this amendment passed, the president would veto the entire underlying department of defense authorization bill. well, when bob gates,

Joseph Lieberman

5:42:56 to 5:43:10( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: the secretary of defense, says that, i think we have a responsibility to listen and to listen to his words very carefully. the reason for secretary gates' opposition to this amendment is not political,

Joseph Lieberman

5:43:10 to 5:43:28( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: it is practical. as he explained in a letter to senator graham of south carolina earlier this week, the webb amendment, and i i quote -- "would significantly increase the risk to our service members,"

Joseph Lieberman

5:43:28 to 5:43:42( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: end quote. "significantly increase," not decrease, "the risk to our service members." and, i quote again -- "lead to a return to unpredictable tour lengths and home state periods and home station

Joseph Lieberman

5:43:42 to 5:43:55( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: periods," end of quote. exactly the opposition opposite of the intention of the amendment. by rejected rigid -- excuse me, by injecting rithd rigid inflexibility into the military planning process, this

Joseph Lieberman

5:43:55 to 5:44:11( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: would force the pentagon to elevate one policy. the amount of time that individual members of the military spend at home, above all other considerations, above the safety and security of those same

Joseph Lieberman

5:44:11 to 5:44:26( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: soldiers and their colleagues when they are deployed abroad, above the impact that implementing that policy would have on our prospects for success in iraq and all that means to our country and i would

Joseph Lieberman

5:44:26 to 5:44:42( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: add to our soldiers. secretary gates also described a range of imrim consequence grim consequences that would result if this amendment is adopted. to begin with, it would likely force the pentagon to

Joseph Lieberman

5:44:42 to 5:44:55( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: extend the deployments of units that are already interactive in afghanistan beyond their scheduled rotations. so some of those units were now scheduled to be there for 15 minutes 15months might have

Joseph Lieberman

5:44:55 to 5:45:11( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: to be extended beyond that because of the provision in this amendment that says you've got to have an equal amount ofam time at home as deployed. why? because there aren't enough capable units to replace

Joseph Lieberman

5:45:11 to 5:45:26( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: them that meet the inflexible requirements impose ed by this amendment.x far from relieving the burden on our brave troops deployed overseas, this amendment would actually add to their burdens and keep our

Joseph Lieberman

5:45:26 to 5:45:38( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: soldiers away from their families, certainly a good goodly number of them, for even longer. it would also mean more frequent and broader call-ups of our national guard and reserve units units, pulling

Joseph Lieberman

5:45:38 to 5:45:50( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: forces into the fight that would otherwise be able to remain at home. in other cases, this amendment will require the pentagon to de deploy units that are trained for one mission to go fight another

Joseph Lieberman

5:45:50 to 5:46:05( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: mission, national because it makes military sense to -- not because it makes military sense to do so but because they're the only ones left that meet this amendment's inflexible dwell time rule. in plain

Joseph Lieberman

5:46:05 to 5:46:20( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: english, we're going to be force ed by this amendment to send less capable units into combat. in addition to imposing greater dangers thereby on our individual servicemen and women, this amendment would

Joseph Lieberman

5:46:20 to 5:46:35( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: also have other baneful effects on our national security. at a time when our military is stretched and performing brilliantly, it would further shrink the pool of units a personnel available to respond

Joseph Lieberman

5:46:35 to 5:46:49( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: to events, crises, not just in iraq and afghanistan but around the world. in doing so, this amendment -- and again i quote secretary gate gates -- would "dramatically limit the nation's ability to

Joseph Lieberman

5:46:49 to 5:47:06( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: re respond to other national security needs while we remain engage ed in iraq or afghanistan." end of quote. is that what any of us desire? is that what the men and women who serve us in uniform desire?

Joseph Lieberman

5:46:49 to 5:47:29( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: re respond to other national security needs while we remain engage ed in iraq or afghanistan." end of quote. is that what any of us desire? is that what the men and women who serve us in uniform desire?

Joseph Lieberman

5:47:06 to 5:47:22( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: no. mr. president, all of us recognize the extraordinary service that our troops are giving our country and the burden that that places on their families family in this time of war. all of us want

Joseph Lieberman

5:47:22 to 5:47:34( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: to do something to help relieve the burden they bear. but the answer is not to impose a legislative straitjacket on our men and women in uniform. the answer is not to impose an inflexible one-size-fits-all

Joseph Lieberman

5:47:34 to 5:47:48( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: rule that will endanger their safety and hobble our military's ability to respond to worldwide snret worldwidethreats. the answer is not to throw an enormous wrench into the exist existing, well-functioning

Joseph Lieberman

5:47:48 to 5:48:01( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: personnel system of the u.s. military and the answer is most definitely not to make it harder for us to succeed in iraq. i know there's been some disagreement among the support supporters of this amendment

Joseph Lieberman

5:48:01 to 5:48:15( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: about whether it is intended to be a backdoor way to accelerate the drawdown of our troops from iraq for which there is not adequate support in this senate chamber, fortunately, and, thus, discard

Joseph Lieberman

5:48:15 to 5:48:28( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: the recommendations of general petraeus, and if i may say so, put us on a course to failure instead of the course of success we're on now. my friend, the senate majority leader, said that he does

Joseph Lieberman

5:48:28 to 5:48:39( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: not see this as a backdoor way to accelerate the drawdown. on the other hand, congressman murtha said that that's exactly what it is supposed to do, and he hopes it will do. the fact is, mr. president,

Joseph Lieberman

5:48:39 to 5:48:58( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: that many in this chamber have argue ed honestly and openly for months that general petraeus and his troops were failing to make meaningful progress in iraq and that congress should, therefore,

Joseph Lieberman

5:48:58 to 5:49:16( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: order them to begin to withdraw. that could be done by cutting off funding or mandating a congressional deadline for wrap withdrawal. i've argue ed against those recommendations, as my colleagues know.

Joseph Lieberman

5:49:16 to 5:49:32( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: but i must say that i respect the fact that those arguments by opponents of the war accept the consequences of their beliefs and they are real and direct. those in the chamber who want to reject the petraeus

Joseph Lieberman

5:49:32 to 5:49:47( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: recommendations and his report of progress and impose on him their own schemes for withdrawal of our troops from iraq, i think think, ought to do did in the most direct way rather than any attempt to

Joseph Lieberman

5:49:47 to 5:50:01( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: derail this now- now-successful war plan by in indirection. the fact is, regardless of the intention of its sponsors, that the webb amendment, if enacted, will not result in a faster draw drawdown

Joseph Lieberman

5:50:01 to 5:50:17( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: of u.s. troops from iraq. the fact is that the commander in chief, the military commander in iraq, are committed to the success of this mission. on the contrary, therefore it would only make it harder

Joseph Lieberman

5:50:17 to 5:50:31( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: for those troops along with their brothers and sisters in uniform in afghanistan to complete their mission successfully, safely, and return home -- but to return home with honor to their families and

Joseph Lieberman

5:50:31 to 5:50:51( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: their neighbors. mr. president, yesterday a couple of veterans from connecticut -- iraq war veterans -- were in town, came in to see me. at the end of a good discussion in which they did urge me to

Joseph Lieberman

5:50:51 to 5:51:03( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: vote against the webb amendment, one of them said to me, senator, we want to win in iraq, and we know we can win. and i said to them, thanks to your bravery and skill and a now good plan and with the

Joseph Lieberman

5:51:03 to 5:51:18( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: help of god, you're going to win, so long as the american people and their representatives here in congress don't lose their will. and that victory will not only secure a better sciewch future for

Joseph Lieberman

5:51:18 to 5:51:33( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: the people of iraq and more stability and an onpportunity for a course in the middle east that is not determined by the fanatics, the haters, the suicide bombers of al qaeda and iranian-backed

Joseph Lieberman

5:51:33 to 5:51:50( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: terrorism but is determined by the people themselves, who pray every day and yearn every day for a better future. and i'll say something else -- there are different ways to burden men and women in uniform.

Joseph Lieberman

5:51:50 to 5:52:04( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: one is the stress of combat. another is to force them into a position where they fail. i have had many, many conversations with soldiers from connecticut and elsewhere who have served in iraq. i've had

Joseph Lieberman

5:52:04 to 5:52:19( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: the conversations in iraq and here. i don't want to mislead my colleagues on what i'm about to report. i don't get in 100% of those conversations. but i get it in the overwhelming number of those conversations.

Joseph Lieberman

5:52:19 to 5:52:34( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: they are proud of what they're doing. they believe in their mission. they believe that they are part of a battle that can help make the future of their families and our country more secure. they're proud.

Joseph Lieberman

5:52:34 to 5:52:50( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: they're reenliing at remarkable numbers. that's the best indicator of this attitude. and do you really want to burden them and their families in a way that we can never quite make up for? then put

Joseph Lieberman

5:52:50 to 5:53:03( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: us -- take us from the road of success leading to the road of victory and force us directly -- them directly or in indirectly to a retreat and defeat. that can breakat the will of an army. we don't have

Joseph Lieberman

5:53:03 to 5:53:10( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: to do it. we mus not do it, and i believe that this senate will not allow this to happen. i, therefore, urge my colleagues to vote against the amendment. i thank the chair, and i yield the floor.

Joseph Lieberman

5:53:10 to 5:53:25( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Lieberman: mr. brown: mr. president? the presiding officer: the senator from ohio is recognize ed for ten minutes. mr. brown: thank the president president. i want to thank senator webb for his leadership on this

Sherrod Brown

5:53:25 to 5:53:42( Edit History Discussion )

Sherrod Brown: important issue, as is rise in support of the webb amendment. this amendment, first and fore foremost, is about supporting our troops. it is about supporting military families. every member of this body,

Sherrod Brown

5:53:25 to 5:57:38( Edit History Discussion )
Speech By: Sherrod Brown

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