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Senate Proceeding on Sep 20th, 2007 :: 7:44:12 to 7:57:59
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Carl Levin

7:12:39 to 7:44:12( Edit History Discussion )
Speech By: Carl Levin

Carl Levin

7:44:00 to 7:44:12( Edit History Discussion )

Carl Levin: record. the presiding officer: without objection, so ordered. mr. levin: i move to reconsider. mr. levin: the presiding officer, i know, looks forward to continuation of the session with his good

Lindsey Graham

7:44:12 to 7:44:23( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: nature and we note the absence of a quorum. a senator: while we are wait willing for other senators to arrive i would like to speak against my good friend's amendment. the presiding officer: does

Lindsey Graham

7:44:12 to 7:57:59( Edit History Discussion )
Speech By: Lindsey Graham

Lindsey Graham

7:44:23 to 7:44:34( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: the senator withdraw his request if a quorum call? mr. levin: yes. the presiding officer: the senator from south carolina. mr. graham: thank you very much, mr. president. the choice for the congress

Lindsey Graham

7:44:34 to 7:44:46( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: here is whether or not retreat from a policy that appears to be working by adopting this amendment that would redeploy troops in a fashion far inconsistent with what we are doing on the ground.

Lindsey Graham

7:44:46 to 7:44:56( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: what we're doing now is a long overdue change in strategy. we have more forces than we've ever had before and they're very much needed. the one thing i could say without any doubt that the old strategy

Lindsey Graham

7:44:56 to 7:45:11( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: before the surge was not producing the results that we're hoping for in terms of security and political reconciliation. after about the third trip to baghdad it was obvious to me that the game plan

Lindsey Graham

7:45:11 to 7:45:24( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: that we had in place after the fall of baghdad was not working:| i was told time and time again we've got enough troops, the insurgency was in its last throes and there were a few dead enders and that

Lindsey Graham

7:45:24 to 7:45:37( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: was the furthest thing from the truth. the truth is the security in iraq got comploat completely out of hand, al qaeda were able to occupy parts of an anbar and it was dissolve ing into complete

Lindsey Graham

7:45:37 to 7:45:48( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: chaos. thank god we had the being willingness and cape yailt capability through this commander in chief to appoint a new general with a new idea. the idea that he's employing now is long overdue. more

Lindsey Graham

7:45:48 to 7:45:58( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: troops have provided better security, and they've been able to accomplish this by partnering with the iraqi army in a new way way. the old strategy that we're trying to go back to with this amendment had

Lindsey Graham

7:45:58 to 7:46:11( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: us in a training role. we were living behind walls, training during the day, and pretty much disengage ed from the fight. now we're out hyped those walls, we're -- out behind those walls, we were

Lindsey Graham

7:46:11 to 7:46:24( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: living with iraqi troops in joint security stations all over breagd and the country -- baghdad and the country. we're living, eating and fighting with the iraqi army and general jones tells us they're

Lindsey Graham

7:46:24 to 7:46:35( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: getting better. anbar province is dramatically different. six months ago it was reported to having been lost to the enemy enemy, al qaeda. a couple of things that are indeed good numbers news. number one,

Lindsey Graham

7:46:35 to 7:46:46( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: the people in anbar who had a taste of al qaeda life decided they did not want to live that way. why? well, what happened in anbar province when al qaeda was in charge? awful, terrible, vicious things

Lindsey Graham

7:46:46 to 7:47:02( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: that really can't even be talked about on the floor of the senate senate. they impose ed a way of life on the anbar sunnis that did not meet the test of human decency, and the people living in anbar

Lindsey Graham

7:47:02 to 7:47:15( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: rejected al qaeda because they overplayed their hand. the difference between us and our enemy in iraq, al qaeda, is pretty obvious. this organization that is tied to bin laden but also has iraqi members,

Lindsey Graham

7:47:15 to 7:47:28( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: they're the type of people that if you don't do what they say, they will take the family out into the street, take a 5-year-old child in the presence of the parents, cover the child in gasoline and

Lindsey Graham

7:47:28 to 7:47:40( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: set the child on fire. that's our enemy. that's the enemy of everybody who loves freedom and human decency. that happened in anbar. and things like that happen time and time again. the agenda that al

Lindsey Graham

7:47:40 to 7:47:52( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: qaeda has for the world is a very dark view of the world, particularly for women, and thank god it's been rejected by those in anbar. the surge gave the ability of those living in anbar to make a choice

Lindsey Graham

7:47:52 to 7:48:04( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: they never had were. before. the additional military support provided by the surge came along at a magic moment in time when the people in anbar were ready to take on al qaeda. this additional combat

Lindsey Graham

7:48:04 to 7:48:16( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: capacity cannot be underestimated in terms of how it's changed iraq. it's certainly liberate ed anbar from the clutches of al qaeda and the fact that sunni arabs are willing to turn on al qaeda and join

Lindsey Graham

7:48:16 to 7:48:32( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: coalition forces is good news for the world. and this amendment would bas basically undo many of the successes we've had in terms of adding more combat power. things are getting better around baghdad.

Lindsey Graham

7:48:32 to 7:48:43( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: there's still a lot of fightin. al qaeda has not been completely vain quished, but those in favor -- vanquished but they've certainly been diminished. . iran is playing hard right now. what is the goal

Lindsey Graham

7:48:43 to 7:48:56( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: of the iranian forces and the iranian regime when it comes to iraq? i think the goal is to drive us out. does iran want a completely chaotic iraq? no. does iran want a representative government in

Lindsey Graham

7:48:56 to 7:49:06( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: iraq? absolutely not. because the biggest threat to this iranian theocracy would be a representative government on their border where sunnis, shias shias, and kurds would live together and actually

Lindsey Graham

7:49:06 to 7:49:18( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: like their own leaders. the biggest threat to syria, this dictate orship in syria, would be a representative democracy on their border. so if you're waiting on iran and syria to come in and help us form

Lindsey Graham

7:49:18 to 7:49:29( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: a moderate way of doing business where people can elect their leaders and accept each other's differences and live together with tolerance, you can forget it because it's a threat to the dictate orships and

Lindsey Graham

7:49:29 to 7:49:41( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: the theocracy ies that exist. so i think it is in our national security interest to allow general petraeus to continue a strategy that is bringing about better security than we've ever seen before. now

Lindsey Graham

7:49:41 to 7:49:53( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: is not the time to pull back back. now is the time to recommit american forces, political, military, and economic power to finish the job that's been start started. the idea that the war in iraq is a civil

Lindsey Graham

7:49:53 to 7:50:06( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: war i think just misses the boat. the truth is that there are many things going on in iraq, some of them are local to iraq, but many of them have international implications and long-standing national

Lindsey Graham

7:50:06 to 7:50:15( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: security consequences to this country. why did the iranian president say he stood ready to fill any vacuum create ed in iraq? because he would like to expand his power. the question for us: is it in

Lindsey Graham

7:50:15 to 7:50:27( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: our national security interest to allow a vacuum to be create ed? now, my good friend, senator levin, has a view that the more troops we have in iraq the long longer we stay there with large numbers,

Lindsey Graham

7:50:27 to 7:50:39( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: the less likely the politicians in baghdad will reconcile their differences through the political process. i have a totally opposite view. i understand what he's saying, but there's no evidence that

Lindsey Graham

7:50:39 to 7:50:50( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: less troops will provide quicker reconciliation. the iraqis are dying three-to- three-to-one compared to our deaths and our injuries. the sacrifices of this country are enormous, but do not forget the

Lindsey Graham

7:50:50 to 7:51:03( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: that the iraqi people are fighting and dying against extreme ist forces and they're not indifferent to their fate. the political reconciliation necessary to occur to bring this war to a successful

Lindsey Graham

7:51:03 to 7:51:15( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: conclusion has not occurred in baghdad, but it is occurring at the local level. so in my opinion, it's just a matter of time before the local reconciliation you see in anbar and other places in iraq

Lindsey Graham

7:51:15 to 7:51:25( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: comes to baghdad. the best pressure to put on any politician in any place in the world where people vote to elect their politicians is for their own people to speak and up put pressure on their elected

Lindsey Graham

7:51:25 to 7:51:40( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: officials, not for senator graham, senator levin, senator clinton, senator mccain to tell the maliki government what to do, but for their own people to tell them what to do. and after having been

Lindsey Graham

7:51:40 to 7:51:50( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: there eight times, the people i meet in iraq are more wary than other other. they're come ing together at the local level more than i've ever seen. they'll mark hard decisions that will eventually

Lindsey Graham

7:51:50 to 7:52:01( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: reconcile their country. the idea of terminate ing this operation now, putting a deadline or timeline to withdraw will undercut everything we've achieved. the poticians of change their attitude. instead

Lindsey Graham

7:52:01 to 7:52:13( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: of looking at how to reconcile their country, they'll be looking at how to protect themselves and their families when the american leave. so i'm not for an unending, unlimited commitment of 160,000

Lindsey Graham

7:52:13 to 7:52:26( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: troops. i am for keeping american military presence in iraq that helps my country, helps our country. we need to look at every decision we make in iraq now and in the future from the viewpoint of does

Lindsey Graham

7:52:26 to 7:52:38( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: it enhance our national security. is it better to have 160,000 american forces in iraq now to stabilize a dysfunctional government or is it better to bring them home noang knowing the most likely result

Lindsey Graham

7:52:38 to 7:52:50( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: will be a failed state? a dysfunctional government exists in iraq and here in week washington, but there's a big difference between a dysfunctional government and a failed state. a dysfunctional governmt

Lindsey Graham

7:52:50 to 7:53:01( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: is one that keeps trying but fails to do the hard things. a failed state is a place where no one tries anymore, they go back to their corners of their own country and the regional players begin to take

Lindsey Graham

7:53:01 to 7:53:14( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: sides and you have absolute chaos. iran is the biggest winner of a failed state because they'll dominate the southern part of iraq. another problem from a failed state is that the kurds will likely

Lindsey Graham

7:53:14 to 7:53:26( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: go to war with turkey over an independent movement in the north. if the sunnis think they're going to win in iraq and have the good old days of saddam come back by using force, they're crazy and they're

Lindsey Graham

7:53:26 to 7:53:37( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: naive. if the shias think they're going to create a thee oklahoma crass it's theocracy in iraqlike iran and no one will say anything about it, they'll just misunderstand the region. i am convince ed

Lindsey Graham

7:53:37 to 7:53:49( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: that all three groups are better off working together than trying to work apart. i know this: we're better off if they do that. if they break apart and this country becomes a failed state, 160,000

Lindsey Graham

7:53:49 to 7:53:59( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: troops for a limited period of time will not be what our country will be faced with in terms of choices. we will have a large american military presence in the middle east containing a veart of conflicts

Lindsey Graham

7:53:59 to 7:54:10( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: that -- a variety of conflicts that do not exist today because the problems of iraq will spill over to the region. i believe that is a likely consequence, that's a reasonable consequence of a failed

Lindsey Graham

7:54:10 to 7:54:24( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: state. i cannot promise you that they will go from a dysfunctional government to a stable government, a secure government. that's an ally in the war on terror with us that we reject al qaeda, that

Lindsey Graham

7:54:24 to 7:54:34( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: we contain iran. but i do believe this: our best shot to bring that about is to continue the mission and the surge as planned out by general petraeus to continue the strategy that we have now that

Lindsey Graham

7:54:34 to 7:54:45( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: has shown results we've never known before. if we pull back now, it will undo all the accomplishments that have come from a lot of sacrifice, a lot of blood, and a lot of treasure. at the end of

Lindsey Graham

7:54:45 to 7:54:55( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: thday, the iraqi political leadership has to embrace the hard decisions necessary to pull their country together. they're more likely to do that when they're less worried about their families being killed

Lindsey Graham

7:54:55 to 7:55:07( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: as they reach across the aisle. it is hard to reach across the aisle here. the president and i have worked on immigration. we know how hard it is. we'll come back at it, we'll try to keep bringing hard

Lindsey Graham

7:55:07 to 7:55:18( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: issues up like social security and immigration until we find a solution, but imagine reaching across the aisle in iraq where the consequence would be that your family's bhurd murdered. the better security

Lindsey Graham

7:55:18 to 7:55:33( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: we can bring about in terms of iraq for the judges, the politicians, and the population as a whole, the more likely they are to do the hard things. and i do believe they're ready to do the hard things

Lindsey Graham

7:55:33 to 7:55:46( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: because they've had a hard life. the iraqi people are not perfect perfect. i don't think we realized how hard it is to have lynched dosh to have live ed in that country under saddam hussein, the fear

Lindsey Graham

7:55:46 to 7:56:00( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: that if your daughteralked down the street, one of his sons -- she may catch one of the son son's size. the way they've had to live under saddam hussein is unimaginable and the chaos that they've

Lindsey Graham

7:56:00 to 7:56:12( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: experienced from al qaeda come ing there, throwing bombs at different mosques and bringing up old wounds has been very difficult to deal with. but they keep trying. when one is killed, as a police officer,

Lindsey Graham

7:56:12 to 7:56:23( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: someone else takes their place. when an army person is killed someone else joins the army. when a judge is assassinate ed someone else comes forward to be a junl. they are trying -- to be a judge judge.

Lindsey Graham

7:56:23 to 7:56:37( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: they are trying. and i do believe if we continue the strategy employed by general petraeus, political reconciliation is lagging behind security, but it won't much be much longer until the politicians

Lindsey Graham

7:56:37 to 7:56:48( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: in baghdad embrace the hard decisions necessary to bring reconciliation to their country because of a couple of reasons -- their people want it, and number two, they have the opportunity now through better

Lindsey Graham

7:56:48 to 7:57:04( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: security to bring it about. so to my good friend, senator levin, i understand exactly your concern. it's a judgment call. i think when you're dealing with extreme ists, when you're dealing with

Lindsey Graham

7:57:04 to 7:57:19( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: the iranian president, the last thing in the world you do is show weakness. you make sure that they understand al qaeda and iran and any other extreme istsist group that america is -- extreme ist e.u.

Lindsey Graham

7:57:19 to 7:57:29( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: that america is going to do -- extreme ist group that america is going to do what it is necessary. my biggest fear is if we begin to redeploy and revert to the old mission that all of those who

Lindsey Graham

7:57:29 to 7:57:40( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: have risked their lives to help us will surely meet the fate of that 5-year-old boy. and that is not in our national interest. that is not the right thing to do. we will come home, but as senator

Lindsey Graham

7:57:40 to 7:57:59( Edit History Discussion )

Lindsey Graham: mccain says, we need to come home with honor, equally important, we need to come home with a more secure america. i think we're on the road to bringing about withdrawal with honor and a more secure

Robert P. Casey, Jr.

7:57:59 to 7:58:09( Edit History Discussion )

Robert P. Casey, Jr.: america by having a more stable iraq. and the worst thing to do now is to go back to a strategy that has failed when the one that we have in place is beginning to work. i would yield the floor.

Robert P. Casey, Jr.

7:57:59 to 8:14:27( Edit History Discussion )
Speech By: Robert P. Casey, Jr.

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