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Senate Proceeding on Nov 16th, 2006 :: 4:55:52 to 5:02:44
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Byron Dorgan

4:45:12 to 4:55:52( Edit History Discussion )
Speech By: Byron Dorgan

Byron Dorgan

4:55:35 to 4:55:52( Edit History Discussion )

Byron Dorgan: that we've given a green light to a world with more nuclear weapons. i hope my colleagues will agree with me and support my amendment. mr. president, i yield the floor. mr. lugar: mr. president? the

Richard Lugar

4:55:52 to 4:56:06( Edit History Discussion )

Richard Lugar: presiding officer: the senator from indiana. mr. lugar: mr. president, i intend to offer a short statement opposing the amendment amendment. i would ask members to be alert to the possibility that following

Richard Lugar

4:55:52 to 5:02:44( Edit History Discussion )
Speech By: Richard Lugar

Richard Lugar

4:56:06 to 4:56:15( Edit History Discussion )

Richard Lugar: my statement, senator biden has indicated that he would put his statement in the record if this plan can generally be accepted. we would then proceed to three roll call votes: an amendment offered

Richard Lugar

4:56:15 to 4:56:31( Edit History Discussion )

Richard Lugar: by the distinguished senator from new mexico, senator bingaman, and two amendments offered by the distinguished senator from north dakota, senator dorgan. and for the convenience of our colleagues,

Richard Lugar

4:56:31 to 4:56:43( Edit History Discussion )

Richard Lugar: those three votes would -- would come without pause, thus minimizing the dislocation of members' schedules and accelerating our consideration of this debate. i'm certain the chair has heard, as senator biden

Richard Lugar

4:56:43 to 4:56:59( Edit History Discussion )

Richard Lugar: and i have have, from many of our colleagues who are hopeful that we can proceed in a responsible way but conclude the debate today, on thursday. and so we're attempting to do that and we appreciate

Richard Lugar

4:56:59 to 4:57:13( Edit History Discussion )

Richard Lugar: the cooperation of colleagues. now, having said that, mr. president, let me state my opposition to the second amendment offered by the distinguished senator from north dakota. this amendment would, in

Richard Lugar

4:57:13 to 4:57:32( Edit History Discussion )

Richard Lugar: fact, undue the entire effort we have achieved with india over the past year. not only would he revise india's civilian military separation plan with his amendment but he would require india to assume the

Richard Lugar

4:57:32 to 4:57:47( Edit History Discussion )

Richard Lugar: obligations of a nuclear weapons state under the nuclear nonproliferation treaty, the n.p.t. this is, in effect, a perfect killer amendment. it should be strongly opposed by every member of this body who supports

Richard Lugar

4:57:47 to 4:58:05( Edit History Discussion )

Richard Lugar: an improved relationship with india. the senator's amendment adds two new determination requirements to our bill. first, that india's separation plan result in a situation wherein all reactors that

Richard Lugar

4:58:05 to 4:58:23( Edit History Discussion )

Richard Lugar: supplies civilian power are declared to the iaea and under safeguards and the second, that india assume certain n.p.t. obligations. this is unnecessary and would do us great harm. it adds a new element

Richard Lugar

4:58:23 to 4:58:37( Edit History Discussion )

Richard Lugar: in the separation plan that the president did not negotiate and would undue the deal we have reached. india's separation plan is credible and sound according to criteria developed by the administration

Richard Lugar

4:58:37 to 4:58:52( Edit History Discussion )

Richard Lugar: in its negotiations with india. secretary rice stated last april -- and i quote the secretary of state -- "for the plan to be transparent, it had to be articulated publicly, which it has been. for it to

Richard Lugar

4:58:52 to 4:59:11( Edit History Discussion )

Richard Lugar: be credible and defensible from a nonproliferation standpoint, it had to capture more than just a token number of indian nuclear facilities, which it did, by encompassing nearly two-thirds of india's current

Richard Lugar

4:59:11 to 4:59:27( Edit History Discussion )

Richard Lugar: and planned thermal power reactors, as well as all future civil thermal and breeder reactors. importantly, for the safeguards to be meaningful, india had to commit to apply iaea safeguards in perpetuity.

Richard Lugar

4:59:27 to 4:59:40( Edit History Discussion )

Richard Lugar: it did so. once the reactor is under iaea safeguards, those safeguards will remain there permanently and on an unconditional basis. further, in our view, the plan also needed to include upstream and downstream

Richard Lugar

4:59:40 to 4:59:55( Edit History Discussion )

Richard Lugar: facilities associated with the safeguarded reactors to provide a true separation of civil and military programs. india committed to these steps and we have concluded that its separation plan meets

Richard Lugar

4:59:55 to 5:00:08( Edit History Discussion )

Richard Lugar: the criteria established. it is credible, transparent, and defensible from a nonproliferation standpoint." end of the quote from secretary rice. the amendment changes the metrics for a credible and defensible

Richard Lugar

5:00:08 to 5:00:22( Edit History Discussion )

Richard Lugar: separation plan by including that such a plan must mean that any reactor supplying power must be declared. secretary rice stated before the senate foreign relations committee -- and i quote again

Richard Lugar

5:00:22 to 5:00:40( Edit History Discussion )

Richard Lugar: -- "regardless of whether they might be used to generate electric power or not, reactors that are not declared civil and thus are not under the iaea safeguards cannot legitimately receive nuclear

Richard Lugar

5:00:40 to 5:00:54( Edit History Discussion )

Richard Lugar: fuel or other nuclear cooperation from any state party to the n.p.t." the second element in the senator's amendment would require india to assume the obligations of a nuclear weapons state party to the

Richard Lugar

5:00:54 to 5:01:08( Edit History Discussion )

Richard Lugar: n.p.t. now, the administration was careful not to term india a -- quote -- "nuclear weapons state" with similar rights and obligations as those five nations in the n.p.s. with status as lawful weapons

Richard Lugar

5:01:08 to 5:01:25( Edit History Discussion )

Richard Lugar: states. those states being france, russia, china, the u.k. and the united states. and instead, termed india in the july 2005 joint statement as a -- quote -- "responsible state with advanced nuclear

Richard Lugar

5:01:25 to 5:01:37( Edit History Discussion )

Richard Lugar: technology technology." this was necessary to do no harm to united states and other weapons states' status under the treaty. the senator's amendment would create obligations similar to those of weapon states

Richard Lugar

5:01:37 to 5:01:53( Edit History Discussion )

Richard Lugar: for india through creating a determination requirement that the president must make, wherein india has assumed the obligations of a nuclear weapons state under the n.p.t. i would argue that this

Richard Lugar

5:01:53 to 5:02:11( Edit History Discussion )

Richard Lugar: is not necessary since it could well provoke india to walk away from the obligations they would assume. under the 123 agreement with them and leave the restraint we might get through that deal

Richard Lugar

5:02:11 to 5:02:24( Edit History Discussion )

Richard Lugar: on their weapons programs, leave it on the negotiating table. india has stated that they have no intention to sign or become party to the n.p.t. as a weapons state or owes. india's july 2005 statement

Richard Lugar

5:02:24 to 5:02:33( Edit History Discussion )

Richard Lugar: and commitments are significant but they do not include n.p.t. membership. mr. president, for these reasons reasons, i urge defeat of the amendment. i would argue that it, indeed, is a killer amendment for our legislation.

Richard Lugar

5:02:33 to 5:02:44( Edit History Discussion )

Richard Lugar: a senator: mr. president? the presiding officer: the senator from delaware. mr. biden: i -- i want to associate myself with the remarks made by the senator from indiana and ask unanimous consent that

Joseph Biden

5:02:44 to 5:03:02( Edit History Discussion )

Joseph Biden: my statement in opposition to the dorgan second amendment be placed in the record at this point. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. lugar: mr. president? the presiding officer: the senator from

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